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Coast Guard Helicopters; Ship-based and land-based choppers
Topic Started: May 31 2006, 01:23 PM (23,532 Views)
flipzi	May 31 2006, 01:23 PM Post #1
R-A-T-S Posts: 7,803 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Requirements? - All weather. - Night-flying capable. - Better range. - Safer in all wind and weather conditions. - Reliable and fast HH-60J JAYHAWK™ Helicopter http://www.sikorsky.com/details/0,9602,CLI..._ETI812,00.html http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...raft/hh-60j.htm ..... I believe this platform suits well our requirements.
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saver111	May 31 2006, 01:45 PM Post #2
PDFF Moderator Posts: 7,677 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	We need those badly. But it we don't have the budget, we could do with those German surplus MBB-105 for the time being. Maybe 1 each for the 10 Coast Guard Districts + 4 as dedicated helicopters for those SAR vessels we have while waiting for those new and sophisticated ones. For our PCG officials, simply asks: http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=3283 BTW, can our SAR ships accommodate those other types?
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flipzi	May 31 2006, 02:03 PM Post #3
R-A-T-S Posts: 7,803 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Getting the surplas German BO105s is not a bad idea if these are priced much lower than the Jayhawks. For ship-based choppers, the BO105 is a good pick indeed. Even our current SAR fleet carry this type of aircraft. For land-based assets, the additional choppers that we will be getting from the US should be considered. It should be upgraded with the modern navigational suite to make it reliable in all scenarios. Disasters and natural calamities are also a major concern now considering the frequency of calamities and disasters that struck our country. Plus the fact that we an archipelagic country and that many of our countrymen depend on maritime commerce and fishing. Nonetheless, the safety or our people relying on maritime commerce and fishing should always get the highest consideration in making our decisions. The Jayhawks will surely make the Coast Guard more effective in fulfilling it's duties. Since, the CG is not under the AFP umbrella, i believe it will have the opportunity to get better choppers.
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saver111	May 31 2006, 02:17 PM Post #4
PDFF Moderator Posts: 7,677 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Quote: Getting the surplas German BO105s is not a bad idea if these are priced much lower than the Jayhawks. They are giving it for free to friendly nations. Maybe cost for shipping will be our only problem. Maybe add some of those UH-1Ds too. Those will be good enough to do the job while waiting for those new ones you are suggesting.
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flipzi	May 31 2006, 03:15 PM Post #5
R-A-T-S Posts: 7,803 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Free? Hmmm.. that's great! We aint sure though how long these choppers will last or how SAFE these are. By the way, some of the new night-flying capable Hueys that we got recently should be given to the Coast Guard or the Air Force's 505th Search and Rescue Group. These will surely improve the capability of that unit. I suggest the AFP consider this idea in implementing the modernization plan. Also, i wish that they look into the possibility of buying Jayhawks for our 505th Searh and Rescue Group. Saver, just for the matter of finding out which chopper they should choose, and assuming that money is not the problem, what are your choices?
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saver111	May 31 2006, 04:52 PM Post #6
PDFF Moderator Posts: 7,677 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	I'll go for the Jayhawks too. It's tested and and presently had this for its record Quote: In December 2000, a particularly dramatic rescue took place in the stormy Atlantic Ocean 200 miles (322 kilometers) off the coast of Virginia. The cruise liner SeaBreaze I suffered an engine failure in the storm and soon began taking on water. Two Coast Guard HH-60J Jayhawk helicopters were dispatched to the scene. One helicopter rescued 26 crewmembers and the other rescued the remaining eight. The helicopter with the 26 rescued sailors aboard, combined with its own four crewmen, set a new record for the most people aboard a single H-60. http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Rotary/SAR/HE9.htm
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jammerjamesky	May 31 2006, 06:48 PM Post #7
Member Posts: 1,137 Group: Regulars Member #501 Joined: July 7, 2005	Comrade flipzi, you forget also in your requirements the actual capacity weight of the Helicopter considering the current tonnage PCG fleet of Tenix Boats. If the PCG is currently utilizing the unit of BO 105 helicopters. This will be my suggestion and favorite candidate if we want to augment the current fleet of helicopters. The MH-90 Enforcer in service with the US Coast Guard is armed with an M240 7.62mm gun. MH-90 Enforcer Specification Maximum Takeoff Weight: 6,250 lbs Empty Weight: 3,260 lbs Overall Length: 32 ft Rotor Diameter: 34 ft Maximum Height: 12 ft Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206E engines Five-blade composite main rotor Max Fuel Capacity: 216 gallons Maximum Speed: 160 knots Operating Range: 315 nm standard Crew: 3+ (Pilot, Co-Pilot, Air Crewman/Gunner, +?) As noted earlier, a modified version of the MD-900 is currently in service with the U.S. Coast Guard under the designation MH-90 Enforcer. Their NOTARs' lower noise signature has also proven very useful in naval operations like "Operation New Frontier," which employs armed MH-90 helicopters and high-speed smallboats to track and stop small, high-speed smuggling vessels known as "go-fasts." The helicopters use their stealth and speed to advantage, and can deploy state-of-the-art, non-lethal weapons like sting grenades and nets to stop these fleeing vessels; the latest deployments also include enhanced capabilities for night-time operations. MD 900 Explorer NOTAR MD 900 Although HH- 60J JayHawk are good Helicopter unit but i think we can easily train our units if we will go for this MH-90 Enforcer (we already have the technical knowledge of this unit since we operate the sister model of MD-900 which is the MD-500 series in our Air Force). Plus the current tonage of Tenix vessel im doubtful if the 56 m SAR Vessel can handle the HH-60J JayHawk to land on its deck. We have small vessel to handle a light weight helicopter only and take note JJ- Hawk are mostly stationed in High Endurance Vessel of the US Coast Guard but for Medium Endurance Cutters they used the MH-90 or MH-68 (Agusta 109E) as their main or stationed chopper. That is why a MH-90 is my choice .



flipzi	Jun 2 2006, 06:03 PM Post #8
R-A-T-S Posts: 7,803 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	jammerjamesky May 31 2006, 06:48 PM Comrade flipzi, you forget also in your requirements the actual capacity weight of the Helicopter considering the current tonnage PCG fleet of Tenix Boats. If the PCG is currently utilizing the unit of BO 105 helicopters. This will be my suggestion and favorite candidate if we want to augment the current fleet of helicopters. jammer! The Tenix ships and the other ships that the PCG may acquire later on may only carry the much smaller ENFORCER. But for land-based choppers, i still prefer the Jayhawks because it can carry more passengers and it perform much better in all weather conditions than any other platform. With our climate and weather conditions, we need a reliable chopper that can do its job no matter how the weather gets worse. So, with this we are picking two platforms for our requirements. For ship-based choppers, the ENFORCER has it. For land-based choppers, the JAYHAWK takes the post.
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el_ramon	Aug 29 2006, 10:17 PM Post #9
Member Posts: 485 Group: Regulars Member #765 Joined: June 25, 2006	if you watch the news today, you'll see the elusive psc bo105 in action sporting an onboard winch.



el_ramon	Nov 6 2006, 09:56 AM Post #10
Member Posts: 485 Group: Regulars Member #765 Joined: June 25, 2006	Bo105..nice what a well maintain 'old' whirly bird can still do.. Bo105 demo



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