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The Case for a Philippine Naval Academy; Isn't it high time we have one?
Topic Started: May 29 2006, 07:23 PM (3,956 Views)
Tony Moon
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Jun 2 2006, 07:48 AM
And creating a PNA is no assurance of not getting commies and rebels into the AFP.

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And creating a PNA is no assurance of not getting commies and rebels into the AFP.


Saver,

This is not the point. The point we must now realize the real reasons why the government has to continue to support the existence of the Philippine Merchant Marine Academy and also why it can never be "converted" or "upgraded" into a Philippine Naval Academy. It's because:

1) The alumni probably for sentimental reasons will never agree to it.

2) The PMMA and alumni are supported by big international labor organizations in the merchant shipping industry.

3) The will never be a political will to overcome the fact that PMMA graduates who work for foreign merchant shipping contribute a large amount of dollar remittances into the Philippine treasury.

So in effect, the government is reduced to training maritime "mercenaries" to serve the needs and interests of foreign shipping industries in exchange for quick cash. The PMMA was supposed to develop our own merchant marine industry but alas some other countries are reaping the real big benefits while the Philippines is forced to accept small potatoes.

Kung ganun lang pala then the government should give priority to establish an "Arts & Entertainment Academy" that will offer full scholarship and free board and lodging to needy but deserving future Japayukis! :drunk:
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the Philippine Merchant Marine Academy and also why it can never be "converted" or "upgraded" into a Philippine Naval Academy.


The question for this would be, Why should it need to be converted? when as stated by fellow posters there's no need for a PNA now. With so many naval officers with less ships to handle, the present set-up, of a fraction of PMA, PMMA, ROTC and OCS graduates to fill the ranks yearly is enough.

Mercenaries? Well some call them modern day heroes. Seafaring involves global work for trades, travels, etc. And Pinoys are not the only ones. It so happens that we produce quality seafarers and got well known for it which other countries envy. Do you know that it is even being threatened by competitions from neighboring countries?

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The PMMA was supposed to develop our own merchant marine industry but alas some other countries are reaping the real big benefits while the Philippines is forced to accept small potatoes.


It is not the PMMA's role but by gov't and us ourselves. Right now we don't have the fleet to be manned by our seafarers. Ika nga, nakiki-barko lang tayo. We have the capability to have make our fleet but where are the investors? What are our officials doing?

The unions you are telling about are already more "aware" of the situation. Nagising na. With so many competitions, those people could not demand easily. International seafarers union who are inticing our Filipino seafarers are just destroying our credibility in order for shipowners to hire back their own nationalities displaced by our people. Shipowners are trying to source out just like those call centers. Is it bad to give jobs to our citizens and at the same time help our economy?

Right now our country tries to prioritize our resources. Right now debates are going whether we should expand our external defense or finish off our internal problem first. With limited budget we could not afford sufficient numbers of assets to patrol our EEZ and if ever we had, how to maintain them.
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This is not a PMA forum anymore. Not relavant to the topic. It is a general military topic.

Moderators, Please move this topic out of here.

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PS. Why do we need a Naval academy for? Tri-cirriculum naman ang PMA. Subject differs for different branches.

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the Philippine Merchant Marine Academy and also why it can never be "converted" or "upgraded" into a Philippine Naval Academy.


The question for this would be, Why should it need to be converted? when as stated by fellow posters there's no need for a PNA now. With so many naval officers with less ships to handle, the present set-up, of a fraction of PMA, PMMA, ROTC and OCS graduates to fill the ranks yearly is enough.

Mercenaries? Well some call them modern day heroes. Seafaring involves global work for trades, travels, etc. And Pinoys are not the only ones. It so happens that we produce quality seafarers and got well known for it which other countries envy. Do you know that it is even being threatened by competitions from neighboring countries?

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The PMMA was supposed to develop our own merchant marine industry but alas some other countries are reaping the real big benefits while the Philippines is forced to accept small potatoes.


It is not the PMMA's role but by gov't and us ourselves. Right now we don't have the fleet to be manned by our seafarers. Ika nga, nakiki-barko lang tayo. We have the capability to have make our fleet but where are the investors? What are our officials doing?

The unions you are telling about are already more "aware" of the situation. Nagising na. With so many competitions, those people could not demand easily. International seafarers union who are inticing our Filipino seafarers are just destroying our credibility in order for shipowners to hire back their own nationalities displaced by our people. Shipowners are trying to source out just like those call centers. Is it bad to give jobs to our citizens and at the same time help our economy?

Right now our country tries to prioritize our resources. Right now debates are going whether we should expand our external defense or finish off our internal problem first. With limited budget we could not afford sufficient numbers of assets to patrol our EEZ and if ever we had, how to maintain them.

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The question for this would be, Why should it need to be converted? when as stated by fellow posters there's no need for a PNA now. With so many naval officers with less ships to handle, the present set-up, of a fraction of PMA, PMMA, ROTC and OCS graduates to fill the ranks yearly is enough.


a) If it can't be converted, it should not be funded by the government. The government should only fund service academies whose graduates sign a contract to serve the state two years for every year they spend on government scholarship (exactly like the PMA).

b) the Private sector with their own money is more than adequate for the task of churning out seafaring "heroes" who will bring much needed cash into the economy as OCWs.

c) The system therefore is needlessly redundant. The PMMA therefore is being used by the government as a propaganda tool to be able to say that at least one of its continuing "projects" is actually working to improve the economy.

d) The government should more appropriately provide "seed" money for such projects instead of financing it indefinitely. (eg. Why should one need to use his own money when you can have others use their money which bring about investment returns that exclusively go back to you anyway?) All this does is decrease the government's investment returns.

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It is not the PMMA's role but by gov't and us ourselves. Right now we don't have the fleet to be manned by our seafarers. Ika nga, nakiki-barko lang tayo. We have the capability to have make our fleet but where are the investors? What are our officials doing?


Smart investors go for governments which display a capacity to show some guts. They don't like squeamish national leaderships who only can say "Oh no..you can't do this, you can't do that!" or "Oh no, that's impossible, it won't work. This is why we never developed a great merchant marine industry or a navy, this is why we ended up as "nakiki-barko lang". :pushup:
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PS. Why do we need a Naval academy for? Tri-cirriculum naman ang PMA. Subject differs for different branches.

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For as long as the Philippine Military Academy remains a "tri-service" academy, it will always have to BE involved with whether or not there should be a naval academy.

For as long as PMA is tasked with training naval officers, the subject of a naval academy can only be RELEVANT to it.

Pero, fine...if the moderators think it needs to be elswhere then maybe it should. :pushup:
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