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| Reducing the types of aircrafts the PAF has | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 12 2006, 03:06 PM (1,048 Views) | |
| ian | Apr 12 2006, 03:06 PM Post #1 |
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IMO, to make our PAF more streamlined, cost effective, and efficient, I think we should reduce our ideas for new aircrafts to the following types: 1 type of MRF 1 type of MPA 2 types of Cargo aircrafts (Heavy lift like C-130s, and medium lift like Fokker series) 1 type of attack helicopter (like an AH-1) 2 types of utility helicopter (Heavy lift like CH-47s and medium lift like Hueys) Having less types of aircrafts will make maintenance easier since our crews would have to train on only a few types, and most of all it would make it cheaper since we would only maintain small amount of spare parts and training costs would be cheaper too. Having multiple types of aircrafts not only would increase operational costs, but the expertise of our crews and pilots would be lower because they would have to master a lot of different types. |
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| israeli | Apr 12 2006, 05:11 PM Post #2 |
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actually, we can really streamline some sectors of the PAF but there are certain areas where we cannot do streamlining, in my honest opinion. these areas are: * rotary-wing transport capability, where the PAF should operate three types of utility helicopters: (1) light-to-medium lift helicopters such as the UH-1H Huey, Bell 412EP LUH and AW139 LUH; (2) twin-engined medium-lift helicopters for commando operations such as the UH-60A/L Blackhawk; and (3) heavylift helicopters such the CH-47D Chinook; and * fixed-wing transport capability, where the PAF needs to have three types of fixed-wing transports- (1) small fixed-wing transports to replace the N-22 Nomad such as C-212 Aviocar and the M28 Skytruck; (2) medium-sized fixed-wing transports to replace the Fokker F-27 Fellowship such as the CN-235 or upgraded Fokker 50s; and (3) heavylift fixed-wing transports such as the C-130 Hercules. this is due to the variable types of airports, air bases and airfields in this country that can support only a single type of aircraft among the three. * rotary-wing attack aircraft platforms, which will include, maybe, 18 upgraded AH-1F Cobras and 36 upgraded and newly-built MD520MG Defenders that will serve as "scouts" for the Cobras and secondary attack platforms. * training aircraft platforms, which will require a different set of trainer planes for primary training, basic jet training, advanced jet training and lead-in fighter training of PAF pilots. |
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| fizzy123 | Apr 12 2006, 07:40 PM Post #3 |
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I think due to economical constraints, Philippines can practice the way of leasing. In the forces dun buy the plane but rent them from private firms. For example if I'm not wrong, Malaysia is leasing the EC-120 helicopter from a private firm to perform helicopter training. |
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| pj_aranda | Apr 12 2006, 10:03 PM Post #4 |
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Streamlining the PAF is a great idea. But the complete overhaul of PAF is necessary for it to be relevant. BSa overhauling ng PAF kasunod na streamlining dun. |
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| Tora^2 | Apr 13 2006, 01:56 PM Post #5 |
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We should not only streamline the types of aircraft but also the units in the PAF. Aside from the 250th Presidential Airlift Wing, we should also downscale the 740th and 750th Combat Groups. Their role may be pivotal in the current COIN campaign and in the defense of NCR against coup attempts. They even played a big role in the capture of fugitive 1st Lt. Lawrence San Juan. However, Infantrymen in PAF BDA in large formations and doing jobs meant for the Army, Marines and the PNP is a redundance and a waste in resources better spent elsewhere like in bringing more Helicopters and COIN planes back to operational status. |
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| ian | Apr 13 2006, 02:21 PM Post #6 |
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Add that to the list too!
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| possible | Apr 15 2006, 04:26 PM Post #7 |
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Streamlining is achieved firstly by commonality of engines. The most popular military a/c engine families and some of their applications: Allison 250: MD Helicopters MD520MG Eurocopter BO.105 Sikorsky H-76 AUH Aermacchi SF260TP CASA C212 Aviocar Honeywell T53: Bell UH-1H “Huey II” modified by Bell Bell 210 (factory-rebuilt UH-1H) Bell AH-1S Cobra Kaman K-Max/FireMax P&W PT6: Raytheon Beechcraft 200/350/1900 family Pilatus PC-12 PZL-Mielec Bryza MPA/Skytruck light transport Basler T-67 (re-engined DC-3) Agusta A139 Agusta A119 Koala (single-engined A109) Bell 412EP/Agusta AB412 Grifo Bell UH-1H “Huey II” modified by Dyncorp Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano Raytheon T-6A/B Texan II Pilatus PC-21 Pilatus PC-9 Pilatus PC-7M KAI KT-1 Wong Bee GE T700/CT7: Boeing AH-64A Apache/Boeing AH-64D Longbow Apache Sikorsky S-70/UH-60 Black Hawk/SH-60 Sea Hawk Sikorsky S-92 Super Hawk/CC-148 Cyclone for Royal Canadian Navy Kaman SH-2G Super Seasprite Bell AH-1W Bell AH-1Z Bell UH-1Y NHI NH90 for Italian military EHI EH101 ASH (Amphibious Support Helicopter for Italian marines)/EHI CC-149 Cormorant for Canadian Forces/Lockheed Martin US101 ‘VXX’ presidential transport IPTN CN-235 Phoenix Sukhoi S-80 Saab 340 Argus AEW/Metroliner medium transport LHTEC T800: Agusta-Westland Super Lynx 300 Agusta A129 Scorpion International MTU/Turbomeca/Rolls-Royce MTR390: Eurocopter EC665 Tiger ARH Rolls-Royce/Turbomeca RTM322: EHI EH101 NATO NHI NH90 NATO Boeing/Agusta-Westland WAH-64D British army Apache Allison T56: Lockheed C-130 Hercules family Lockheed P-3 Orion family Allison AE2100 (modernized T56 w/FADEC): Lockheed C-130J/CC-130J Hercules Lockheed C-27J Spartan Saab 2000 P&W PW123/127: Fokker 50/Fokker 60 EADS C-295M Alenia ATR family Bombardier Dash 8 family Bombardier Q-series Bombardier CL415T amphibian Kazan Helicopters Mi-38 Turbomeca Makila-series: Eurocopter EC725 Cougar family Denel Rooivalk Klimov TV3/Klimov-Motor Sich VK-1500/2500 w/FADEC: Kazan Helicopters Mi-17 family Mil Mi-24/35 family Mil Mi-28N (’Nochnoy’) Night Hunter Kamov Ka-50 Black Shark/Ka-52 Alligator Kamov/IAI Ka-50-2 Er Dogan ITEC F124/F125: Aero Vodochody L159 Aermacchi M-346 AIDC Ching-Kuo Rolls-Royce/Turbomeca Adour: BAe Hawk family BAe/HAL Jaguar IS ‘Shamsher’ (“sword of justice”) GE F404: Boeing F/A-18A/B/C/D Hornet Saab JAS-39 A/B/C/D/A2C Gripen KAI/Lockheed Martin T/A-50 Golden Eagle Northrop F-20A Tigershark (unordered) GE F414 (enlarged F404): Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet/E/A-18G Growler KAI/Lockheed Martin F-50 Golden Eagle Eurojet EJ200: Eurofighter Typhoon Snecma M88: Dassault Rafale Snecma M53: Dassault Mirage 2000 family P&W F100: Lockheed-Martin F-16A/B/F-16C/D, all Block designations ending “-2”, e.g. “Block 52” Boeing F-15 family GE F110: Lockheed-Martin F-16C/D/E/F, all Block designations ending “-0”, e.g. “Block 60” Grumman F-14D Super Tomcat Klimov RD-33/RD-93: RAC-MiG MiG-29M/M2 Chengdu F-17 Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F/AL-41 w/OVT (thrust vectoring): Sukhoi Su-27/Su-30 family Chengdu J-10 P&W F135/JSF119: F/A22 Raptor F-35A/C P&W JSF119-611: F-35B VSTOL GE F136: F-35A Mix and match for best results.
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| possible | Apr 15 2006, 04:50 PM Post #8 |
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Gotta add: P&W PT6: Bell 205 Super Plus (Bell 212 w/single PT6 engine by DynCorp) GE T700/CT7: Bell 214ST "Big Lifter" news:
Oldies but goodies.
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| ian | Apr 15 2006, 11:01 PM Post #9 |
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Thats great insight from possible since with common engines, they will have common spare parts and the crew would be well versed in maintenance of multiple aircrafts. Sounds like the GE T700/CT7 looks like the winner for choppers, since AH-1W/Z and UH-1Ys are compatible (or go for a less upgraded AH-1S and Huey II with a Honeywell T53 engine. While the MPA and heavy transport aircraft would be the P3 Orion and C130 Hercules with both using the Allison T56 engine. |
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| pj_aranda | Apr 15 2006, 11:24 PM Post #10 |
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Galing ng research dun sa mga matching ng engines ah :thumb: BTW bakit wala ang LYCOMING? |
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