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Air Bases; what to do, what not to do, updates
Topic Started: May 13 2005, 05:15 PM (11,387 Views)
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Villamor is okay for what is it now.

Manila is the capital city and Villamor is the nearest base to the capital. This provides a facility that can service incoming sorties from the provinces.

The base also serves as the HQ of the air force. The benefit of its proximity to the capital is understandable.
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Ya but i think they need a little bigger if their buying new fighters maybe they should just sale the whole base or turn it in to a museum for historical reasons :patrioticpinoy:
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“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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Just read in the Philippine Star that Iloilo and Bacolod will be opening new airports soon. There is discussion going on what to do with the old airports. Could they be converted to air bases despite the International Civil Aviation regulations that no two airports can be less than 50 kms. apart?

See part of the article below.

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Old airport question

Presidential Assistant for Western Visayas Rafael Coscolluela, who was apparently aware of the transportation issue of Iloilo City to the new airport in Cabatua, which is  25 kilometers away, disclosed that the Department of Transportation and Communication was planning a public transport system and the franchise applications.

The new airport in Silay is approximately the same distance from Bacolod as the new Iloilo airport.

That means that taxi fare could become prohibitive to the average commuter. Thus, there has to be an alternative commuter vans that will reduce transportation cost to and from the new airport in Silay City.

But the major issue was what to do with the present Bacolod airport. The President, according to Coscolluela, was firm in her position that the present site be sold as soon as the airport in Silay starts operation.

He pointed out that the proposal to have two airports operating side by side is not doable because of the International Civil Aviation prohibition for two airports operating 50 kilometers from each other.

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^Jvelarde the story of the New Iloilo International Airport has been a great dismay of may DPWH officials in the Regional level and national level because of "Black Magic" that occurs in the process.

Up to now the That New Airport has been a big question in terms of legality in the process of project bidding and International compliance with the existing old and new facility. Im not surprise why Mr. Drilon pushes this project. In fact he is the one who negotiated the project to the japanese contractors. No bidding occurs on this project in the National and regional Level.

For me, Lets Give the DOTC-ATO the direct agency to decide the faith of the old Airport. To the Fact also that it is useful for PAF to put a good use of the (old)Airport if they have the right to own the facility. PAF-ATO Pact might be reach out same as the Radar usage Pact that has been signed by the two institution years ago.

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Read this;
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A radioman called for air support and heavy artillery fire. But precious minutes had passed, and still no air support came. I heard him say over the radio, "Wala pa bang air support? Napapalibutan na kami dito."

A group of Marines just few meters in front of us radioed, “Sir, nasa 200 meters na mga kalaban... papalapit na sila sa amin."

Soon after, choppers and a Bronco bomber were seen flying over us. But they had little effect on the attackers. They eventually flew back to base leaving their comrades on the ground, to fight on their own.

The attackers were emboldened. We heard them hollering “Allahu Akbar"(Praise Allah) as they were inching closer. The Marines could no longer hold the line.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/51234/Eyewitne...po-Tipo-Basilan

See how important AIR POWER is?

This setup below could have saved the 14 Marines... AND THE REST.

The Army also got their taste of misfortune. Such will be repeated, unless the govt do it right this time.

flipzi
Feb 7 2007, 05:58 PM

We can now strike the enemy hard at ANY GIVEN OPPORTUNITY.

1) Ilocos Norte: (upgrade or new base)
- squadron of MRFs
- 4 MD520 Defenders
- 2 Cobras (Sidewinder & Hellfire missile firing variants)
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)

2) Cauayan: (upgrade)
- 4 MD520 Defenders
- 2 Cobras
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)

3) Basa
- squadron of MRFs
- 6 AS211
- 2 Cobra
- 4 MD520

4) Clark
- 2 Maritime patrol aircrafts
- 3 heavy lift transport aircraft
- 4 medium lift transport aircraft
- 8 Hueys

5) Villamor
- 2 Cobras (Sidewinder & Hellfire missile firing variants)
- 4 Hueys
- presidential airlift wing assets
- 2 SAR

6) Atienza
- Naval Air Group assets

7) Fernando
- squadron of MRFs
- training wing assets
- 4 MD520 Defenders
- 8 Hueys

8) Naga (new base)
- 4 MD520 Defenders
- 2 Cobras
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)
- 2 Maritime patrol aircrafts

9) Roxas City (new base)
- 4 MD520 Defenders
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)

10) Cebu
- squadron of MRFs
- 2 Cobras
- 4 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)

10) Tacloban
- 4 MD520
- 8 Hueys

11) Palawan
- squadron of MRFs
- 4 Cobras (Sidewinder & Hellfire missile firing variants)
- 6 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)
- 2 Maritime patrol aircrafts

12) Butuan (new base)
- squadron of MRFs
- 6 SF260 (attack variants)
- 2 Cobras
- 4 MD520
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)
- 3 heavy lift transport aircraft
- 4 medium lift transport aircraft

13) Raja Buayan
- squadron of MRFs
- 2 Cobras
- 4 MD520
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)
- 2 Maritime patrol aircrafts

14) Edwin Andrews
- squadron of MRFs
- 6 AS211
- 4 OV10 Broncos
- 2 Cobras (Sidewinder & Hellfire missile firing variants)
- 4 MD520
- 8 Hueys
- 2 SAR choppers (manned by well-trained men from 505th SARG)

TOTAL NUMBER OF ASSETS:

MRF / Strike-Fighter Aircraft = 48
Cobra attack helicopter = 22
MD520 scout/attack chopper = 40
OV10 Bronco=8
SF260 (attack variant)=6
Huey transport = 90
SAR choppers = 20
Maritime Patrol = 8
heavy lift transport aircraft = 6
medium lift transport aircraft = 8


BASE DEFENSE:

- tanks
- APCs with machineguns
- sniper rifles with NV scopes

Others:
- NVG
- firetrucks
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Just wondering why not built Military Cities, like Saudi. Our version will be cheaper , if you are wondering what I mean.

Why not have Bases near each other, like major AFB and a major Army base beside each other. If ones is attacked reinforcements will come sooner. NOt to mention whne troops are needed else where the C-130s of the PAF can land on the AFB and the near by Army unit will travel less distance so they can be airlifted.

When bases are nearer they can strengthen each others defences, the near by Army base artillery units could blast rebels trying to over run an air force base or FOB.
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I would actually count Metro Manila as a "Military City". The city has a Fort Boni which bases a contingent of troops (PA and Marines) with at least one Artillery unit (scomplete with 155s). For air transport, they can count on VAB and if necessary chartered airliners based in NAIA which are just across the SLEX. For sea transport, some ships are based near the PN HQ along Roxas Blvd. Let us also not forget that Metro Manila is also the home of the AFP's key C&C facilities in Camp Aguinaldo.
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I would actually count Metro Manila as a "Military City". The city has a Fort Boni which bases a contingent of troops (PA and Marines) with at least one Artillery unit (scomplete with 155s). For air transport, they can count on VAB and if necessary chartered airliners based in NAIA which are just across the SLEX. For sea transport, some ships are based near the PN HQ along Roxas Blvd. Let us also not forget that Metro Manila is also the home of the AFP's key C&C facilities in Camp Aguinaldo.

I hope all the Military Facilities are in cluster [afb & army base, marine base and afb, navy and army base or all three near each other] they can be more stronger and can defend each other. If in the Future the PAF owns SAM systems that has a range of 50 to 80 km, the Army bse next door no longer needs their own anti-air system. If they do it will just be for short range and to defend mobile units. Should a rebel force builds up and tries to over run an airbase reinforcements is just a minute or less away...
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Black magic thats off topic man any way if we go to war beside we the weakest we being Air fleet in the region our Air bases are too close with private building like house thats beside losing money but also losing lives thats way we should not sell this strategic location because thats just it their strategic? they should be far from Civilian infrastructures see my point ? i think or politicians are taking advantage of the peoples stupidity like this one where they want to build a resort in Pagasa Island in the Kalayaan's and its a military facility what the hell are they thinking i know we don't have money but what happens if theirs an attack by one of the claiming states lets say Vietnam, people visiting the area will be in danger see ???? thats why beside all the reasons we should not sell the line of defense that we have
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“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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Decommissioning Mactan AirBase of Heavy Airlift Wing to Civilain Control and transfer it to Mindanao area is not a strategic idea coz of the distance that our C130 aircrafts will have to travel if they are needed in the Northern part of our country...Fighting is not just located in Mindanao but in some parts also were NPA are active.

Cebu is located in the center of the whole archipelago and its purpose is unquestionable to give support for all areas in our country. External AirForce Defense should be focus on Palawan and Laoag since they are the frontier base of our national defense...South Philippines should be in CDO and Zamboanga...But i prefer the airbase to be located in Zamboanga for the Attack Wing group like the OV520, MG520 and Huey choppers.
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