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Air Bases; what to do, what not to do, updates
Topic Started: May 13 2005, 05:15 PM (11,388 Views)
jvelarde
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Zero wing,


The main problem in our overpopulated country is land. Nahihirapan ang gobyerno bumili ng lupa even with the powers of eminent domain even for non-military uses like road expansions.

We should hang on to the air bases that we have including Villamor Air Base (VAB). Kahit na we have Clark, VAB is there to protect our capital. The Presidential Airlift Wing is also based there.

If they ever build the new airport for Cagayan de Oro, the PAF should get the old airport and convert it to an air base. This airport is quite strategic since it is on top of a plateau.

The runway is rather short for the new Boeings and Airbuses but will be enough for our Broncos and C-130's.
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but their too small now unlike they were still new and we go to war many will get killed
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jvelarde
May 15 2007, 11:07 AM
Zero wing,


The main problem in our overpopulated country is land. Nahihirapan ang gobyerno bumili ng lupa even with the powers of eminent domain even for non-military uses like road expansions.

We should hang on to the air bases that we have including Villamor Air Base (VAB). Kahit na we have Clark, VAB is there to protect our capital. The Presidential Airlift Wing is also based there.

If they ever build the new airport for Cagayan de Oro, the PAF should get the old airport and convert it to an air base. This airport is quite strategic since it is on top of a plateau.

The runway is rather short for the new Boeings and Airbuses but will be enough for our Broncos and C-130's.

I agree.

If not Butuan, then CDO is the next best choice.

We can put in more attack planes and choppers there and even a squadron of MRF for external defense.

We can also free up Mactan AB by transferring the Heavy Airlift wing there. Only the Search and Rescue Group will remain in Mactan and a few attack choppers for internal security.

The base in CDO will be our main base for Northern and Eastern Mindanao.

The next base will be the home of 6ID, the Awang Airport in Cotabato City. This will cover Central and Western Mindanao as well as the Southern part. They are building a new international airport anyway.

The existing airport may then be given to the AFP for its use. It's a big facility.

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May 15 2007, 12:24 PM
jvelarde
May 15 2007, 11:07 AM
Zero wing,


The main problem in our overpopulated country is land.  Nahihirapan ang gobyerno bumili ng lupa even with the powers of eminent domain even for non-military uses like road expansions.

We should hang on to the air bases that we have including Villamor Air Base (VAB).  Kahit na we have Clark, VAB is there to protect our capital.  The Presidential Airlift Wing is also based there.

If they ever build the new airport for Cagayan de Oro, the PAF should get the old airport and convert it to an air base.  This airport is quite strategic since it is on top of a plateau.

The runway is rather short for the new Boeings and Airbuses but will be enough for our Broncos and C-130's.

I agree.

If not Butuan, then CDO is the next best choice.

We can put in more attack planes and choppers there and even a squadron of MRF for external defense.

We can also free up Mactan AB by transferring the Heavy Airlift wing there. Only the Search and Rescue Group will remain in Mactan and a few attack choppers for internal security.

The base in CDO will be our main base for Northern and Eastern Mindanao.

The next base will be the home of 6ID, the Awang Airport in Cotabato City. This will cover Central and Western Mindanao as well as the Southern part. They are building a new international airport anyway.

The existing airport may then be given to the AFP for its use. It's a big facility.

Agree with you on 100% this. An air base in either CDO or Butuan is absolutely necessary for the northern and eastern Mindanao areas.

Yes, we also need the old Cotabato airport.

How about the old airport in General Santos? I thought they were going to transfer the PAFFS there?
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I think the PAF is sharing the facility with civil aviation. That makes it too small to accomodate the FS.

Either GenSan will give up the whole facility to PAF or the PAF will develop its own facility in GenSan outside of the existing airport.
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The BCDA is earning a lot of money from selling off portions of airbases like Villamor and Benito Ebuen to the private sector. However, the PAF is spending a huge portion of these profits to replace their facilities that were in areas they sold off.

If you ask me, selling off those portions when they spend millions to build new facilities in smaller areas of the base to replace those they have sold off makes the whole thing an utterly pointless exercise.
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The BCDA is earning a lot of money from selling off portions of airbases like Villamor and Benito Ebuen to the private sector. However, the PAF is spending a huge portion of these profits to replace their facilities that were in areas they sold off.

If you ask me, selling off those portions when they spend millions to build new facilities in smaller areas of the base to replace those they have sold off makes the whole thing an utterly pointless exercise.

There is some point actually for the BCDA. Though the PAF should keep a small portion of Villamor, the real estate that they kept was too valuable for military operations. The PAF can transfer most of its facilities to Clark and Floridablanca.

Same case in Mactan, Cebu. With the explosive commercial and industrial growth in Cebu due to foreign investments and tourism, the PAF could transfer most of its facilities to, say, Dumaguete.

Portions of the air base can then be used for commercial purposes, say, to expand the Cebu International Airport and/or to expand the Mactan Export Processing zone. But the PAF should still keep a small air base in Mactan for security reasons.

The point is that the proceeds for the sale of portions of these air bases should be used to transfer the PAF facilities including buying land in not-so-populated areas for air stations/bases.
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My point is that the money from the sales lots in bases like VAB and Ebuen should be used to acquire and relocate displaced facilities to places like Air force City, Basa or Rajah Buayan where there is more room for expansion.

Relocating facilities to places within whatever space is left to the PAF in Mactan and VAB seems self-defeating in that it will only cause congestion and create the need to buy more land within those bases.
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The Mactan facility will eventualy give way to commercial use. That's why I am suggesting the setting up of a major base in CDO or Butaun to serve as its relocation.

Anyway, the military operation in Mindanao will benefit a lot from it when the Heavy Airlift Wing is transferred to CDO or Butuan.

A small space may be left for the PAF Search and Rescue Group in Mactan.

For Clark, we need to retain the Maintenance Wing since it's an strategic point. Basa should eventually house all assets assigned to the strike and fighter wing/group.

In Cotabato City, the govt is planning to build an international airport there. It's in another area as I can remember. So, that frees up the Awang airport. The PAF can then use this facility for the exclusive military use.

That facilty can then serve as our major base to service the Western and southern part of Mindanao, while CDO is serving the Northern and eastern part.

As for the Rajah Buayan facility, the govt should just build a new commercial airport outside of the existing facility. Buayan is a vital part of our external defense setup.

As for the Bautista AB, I suggest the govt builds a new facility for the military.
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ya but i think Villamor Airbase is a dead too much me people on side of the base and its run way is part of the domestic and international airports i don't know what the government is planning i don't even know what their thinking making military facility part of civilian sector or saleing them or making them damn free ports sayang its a waste but i am not saying its bad its good for economical reason but what about our defense ?? the navy and the airforce is declining its a sad thing 2 see they don't realized what their doing and realized what defense means :patrioticpinoy: :armywink:
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