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| flipzi | Feb 19 2007, 06:25 PM Post #61 |
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I understand that. But the govt can not win the war fast enough without having more air assets. Anyway, the PDR is there. Let's hope it's gonna be expedited. |
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| kyle_katarno | Feb 20 2007, 05:12 PM Post #62 |
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Honestly more prop-driven attack aircraft like the OV-10 suitable for our terrain and attack helos like the Defender would be nice in our inventory. This two would be suitable to augment our decrepit PAF squadrons. didn't the USN retired the F-14? one of its variant is attack capable. |
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| flipzi | Feb 20 2007, 05:30 PM Post #63 |
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Kyle, AGAIN, be sensible. There are a lot of people here who view things BROADLY. Dont let your analysis be confined to considering the obsolete OV10 and the overkill and yet obsolete F14. You need to address as well these; 1) performance 2) adaptability or suitability to our requirements 3) economy 4) LONG-TERM projections 5) current threats 6) current inventory 7) maintenance 9) training required / experience 10) global and regional trends etc etc |
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| kyle_katarno | Feb 20 2007, 06:35 PM Post #64 |
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You cannot think of long term, cause the AFP are concentrated on COIN operations. Lets take them out first then we can go to long-term territorial defense of the islands. Can we just close down some of them? This might minimize the cost-overhead of the PAF. Shut down either one of them Villamor or Atienza; Fernando or Lucena Like mentioned above leave Clark to be another International hub, and bring all air-assets to Basa. |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 20 2007, 07:26 PM Post #65 |
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However, I don't agree with the idea of opening new bases exclusively for the PAF to use. We just can't afford it. It would be better if the PAF develops the existing bases it has to itself and the other services of the AFP to fill current and anticipated future requirements such as using Fernando or Rajah Buayan as a place to shelter OV10s and Defenders whould they come in to support troops in ops against the NPA. They could also develop some parts of Clark ( known in PAF circles as Air Force City) that are left idle by a lack of investors for possible use as a home for air transportation units or even for fighter squadrons (once we do get to buy them). Alternatively, we might also have to expand Basa's runway and add facilities to it to accommodate more advanced fighters or LCAs should Air Force city prove to be unusable due to a lack of space or Operational Security Issues (with all the commercial activity in the complex). |
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| flipzi | Feb 21 2007, 06:35 PM Post #66 |
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(CORRECTED) I believe we should NOT be totally discouraged by this "funds" issue. The Rajah Buayan AB is essential. Nonetheless, GenSan really needs an airport to service its tourist s and people. When the Air Force finallyt gets its chance to enhance its presence in that region, it must either expand its area within that facility or create its own exclusive facility. Eventually, the PAF will have to relocate and develop its own. The AFP must consider the strategic value of its bases. It must not confine its plans to financial matters. Effectiveness of the security plan, both tactical and strategic, must get the utmost consideration. |
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| page mcney | Feb 23 2007, 07:44 PM Post #67 |
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I THINK IT IS WISE THAT THE PAF WOULD HAVE "FORWARD AIR BASES" BECAUSE THESE ARE TEMPORARY AIR BASES AND ARE MUCH MORE NEARER IN THE BATTLEFIELD THAN THOSE EXISTING "MAIN AIR BASES". IF AND IF THE AREA IN BATTLE IS SECURED THEN THESE TEMPORARY AIR BASES CAN BE DISMANTLED IMMEDIATELY AND BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER AREA/BATTLEFIELD. AS WHAT OUR OTHER COMRADES IN THIS THREAD SAID THESE TEMPORARY AIR BASES ARE GREATLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY NEEDED IN TERMS OF: 1. IMMEDIATE COMBAT AIR SUPPORT (MINIMAL TIME TO TRAVEL TO AND FROM THE BATTLEFIELD) 2. IMMEDIATE MEDEVAC OF WOUNDED COMBAT TROOPS 3. IMMEDIATE REFUELLING AND RE-ARMING OF AIRCRAFTS IN SUPPORT OF GROUND OPERATION 4. IMMEDIATE DEPLOYMENT OF ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TROOPS AND EQUIPMENT THE MAIN AIR BASES WILL IN TERM BE USED TO SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF THESE FORWARD AIR BASES. MY 2 CENT WORTH OF COMMENT... |
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| flipzi | Feb 27 2007, 01:16 PM Post #68 |
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Forward air bases? This is what the Air Force setup seems to be now. The air base setup i suiggested are in fact a mix of main bases and forward bases. The main bases should be exclusive so the military can implement its base security plan MORE EASILY. The concern on space/park area usage or allocation will not be troublesome if the Air Force has exclusive use of such facility. |
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| flipzi | Feb 27 2007, 01:31 PM Post #69 |
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You have a point there. But nonetheless, national security should not be compromised by the program in saving money alone. You have to balance cost and effectiveness. By the way, I do agree that we can save cost by transferring our assets from Clark to Basa. The BIG PROBLEM is that Basa is not enough or ready to accomodate them all at this point in time. In fact, the runwaty there is damaged. The mere transfer of the Air Force assets and offices in Clark to Basa will cost us a lot. I am not in favor of closing Fernando or Atienza. These are strategic bases. Atienza is very suitable for our Navy's air assets. Our Navy's future organization may even require Atienza to be expanded.
Go over the air base setup i suggested. This is designed to handle INTERNAL THREATS or ending the rebellion. I added the MRFs to emphasize that these bases should be readied for external defense roles. I have not yet provided the draft for the external defense setup. Moreover, these MRFs are not just for external defense but also for internal concerns. These can perform the roles of our other strike planes like the OV10. It is just much more powerful though and the bombs are guided and precise. |
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| Zero wing | May 14 2007, 10:28 PM Post #70 |
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Villamor Airbase is getting smaller and more people are buying government lands do u think that we need to find new land to build a good operational airbase in the country and close down the old ones and make them museum because if we leave them like that in times of war many people will die |
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