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Redesign the Defiant and Cali?; homegrown Pinto, Hummingbird, etc
Topic Started: Feb 22 2006, 09:01 PM (4,509 Views)
City Hunter
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Still, I'm for using a single-engine model for our first LCA. And increase its survivability and deployability with a defense concept like that of the Swedes.

One idea to save fuel for take-offs is to use rocket-sleds or disposable rockets. The only question is how much would that rocket fuel cost and the cost of making those sleds or disposable rockets.

This is why if there would be serious blocks in fielding a more acceptable Cali design for today's needs we should have a fallback. And that would be the Defiant design. If the P-51 design was improved with the installation of turboprop engines and avionics maybe we could pattern our Defiant's resurrection to be as easy as that. And explore other possible upgrades such as what one did by installing contra-rotating propellers. It may already be possible with today's tech level to realize benefits with such a mod despite what past arguements dictate otherwise.
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That would make it easier for the plane to take-off from stretches of roadway.

However, the use of Rocket Take-Off gear would impose penalties on the amount of weapons and fuel it can carry. You would also need to reinforce the airframe to take the stress of a such a take-off.

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hey Cityhunter,you got a lot of nice pics there. Do you really think we could build some locally?Unfortunately we can't even build our own engine.
Maybe we can just import the engine and build evrything else on our own. Those ground attack-aircrafts are very nice.
can't we make a rotary wing craft using this coco-fuel???
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Hey MSantor,wenn du schon auf deutsch hier etwas schreibst,dann bitte richtig! Und lass bitte die verdammten Nazi-Parolen! Die Luftwaffe kann man modernisieren und verbessern.
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“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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Sir Marschall, I believe we can make engines both jet and turboprop. The problem is if they are good enough for what we want. Hence it would be better to buy first a good engine abroad and concentrate on improving and making the rest of the aircraft here. We have good local resources and tech for the airframe construction and even some of the sophisticated electronics. If its just a replacement for the OV-10, the WW2 German prop-type anti-tank plane would be a good candidate. It has been commented that with an A-10 its awesome battlefield support abilities makes it a relief or a curse depending on which side you belong to.

But I would still go for improving our current helicopter fleet or getting some of those surplus Cobras and improving them in the meantime. We should start off slow but sure. Not only to prepare our industry and gain more support for more funding but also to prepare a more positive and detailed development plan. It would also help weed out those just out to use the project for their selfish goals. For example, if I were the Israelis I'd have produced the Lavi strictly for Israeli use. It will not be exported. To pay off its immense development cost I'd use the lessons learned in developing it to other items that can be sold. Like they realized the raked back seating of the F-16 isn't that worth it in combat - working from what I read in the Lavi development - and that the sidestick also is a no-no. If I was head of IAI I'd offer a redesigned F-16 cockpit for the market. And those other electronic goodies too that can be exported. And another would be a redesigned wing. These ideas would most likely be applied to F-16s which were sold to US allies. And since this doesn't completely challenge the F-16 but is using the F-16 as the item that can be modified means F-16 sales wouldn't be that hurt. Maybe it will just make buyers buy non-complete F-16s but that would still leave profit and work for production workers and continued work for spare parts and support equipment. It will take longer to cover the costs of the Lavi but it beats it over being shelved and finding something else to cover the cost.

The same way could be done on our projects. Take for example the F-20. Why don't we offer a basic F-20 to F-5 users. If they want a budget piece we can re-use as much as what we could from their F-5s. And even do a trade-in offer wherein the F-5s would either restructured to F-20s or cannibalized for some other projects (maybe we should re-design the F-5 to become a mini F-5 working on a single engine to be our LCA).

And I do think alternative fuel especially those based on the coconut would be the key industry in the future. I'm still researching more about it though and the web doesn't offer much answers. I'll try to ask on some of our government offices but if asked I'd rather we invest on improving the hydrogen engine hybrid that one of our inventors designed. That could already spell the solution for land and water transports.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

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City Hunter, I still researching on what enginge is best suitable for the Cali Project. Not just the engine that also i want to consider right now. When also talk of re engineering process here of the said aircraft it will take a lot of time in the research process. I want to see the old blue prints to fit in my calculations. As an engineer you cannot just put an engine without considering also its design coz we are talking here already a different engine. The process of giving birth of the new Cali is not cloudy for me. take a look also of the engine of the GE,PW,VOLVO,BAe and etc. I have a little concern with regards to US made engines but still we can pursue our shatered dreams in the european theater. Filipino's are very resourceful in finding an alternative and better engines. why dont we take a look also at the engine of the L-159 ALCA's,Alpha jets,BAe Hawk or last the yoguzlav made engines. For the last option the Israeli hybrid engines.Civilian people can do the difference on what ever PAF needs right now. There are many civilian engineers around who are willing to serve the institution(even without a salary just for allowance). We can done the asseambly here in our country (as of basic requirements) or else the other way around.
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Yup, placing a new and better engine wouldn't be easy. From what bit I know about automotive mechanics we had to compare details to fit the best one for a car as small as the Daihatsu Charade. I'm not sure if the Cali design is available for public research but will try to investigate if so once time permits.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

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So are we nowadays already capable of building our own rotary crafts? we could build some for our own use and force prisoners to build others for export to other third world countries such as Papua-newguinea,East-timor and a number of Africamn nations.
We could then also build our own tranport planes copying the design of the C-130.

Is there an engineer around here who could actually do all this?
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“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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There a many filipino engineers are availbale in the engineering department. take for example some of my prof who are working in lockheed and sikorsky

They are willing to work provided allowance for their family without salaries.......
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:thumb: cute pics, City Hunter. something's missing, though: care to show naman some REAL-LIFE photos of those Nazi planes? have anything to say about their combat record, e.g. how many kills, what did Nazi pilots say about flying them, what Allied airmen had to say about going up against them, etc. - oh, don't tell me those are all DRAWINGS never TESTED nor, God forbid, PROVEN except in Hitler's fantasies?

are airplanes all that the Philippines needs? - what about low-cost medicines? I know a lot of young Filipino pharmacists who happen to be employed in call centers because there aren't enough investments in the local pharma industry, wouldn't medicines be a more productive and profitable enterprise than attempting to compete against behemoths like Lockheed and EADS? $10 million is a LOT of money for a group of skilled pharmacists, and a nation of 80 million certainly presents a sizable captive market for basic goods like medicine - otoh, would $10 million be enough to bring the Cali to 21st century standards and into production? how about $100 million? $500 million? - tell me when to stop...


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