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| Redesign the Defiant and Cali?; homegrown Pinto, Hummingbird, etc | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 23 2006, 08:37 AM Post #11 |
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![]() ![]() Stealth Cali, anyone interested? ![]() Ayaw nila sa Hummingbird? Gawin natin Osprey natin. |
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| City Hunter | Feb 23 2006, 08:42 AM Post #12 |
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Sir jammerjamesky, the present engine envisioned for the Cali is indeed not a good one. Pang tawid lang nga. I'm still checking up on that ARES design which uses a different engine at mas modern. Still, that doesn't mean hindi natin pwede pakinabangan yun engine ng F5s na junked. We could tailor an aircraft that could make good use of that engine. And that can only be answered by developing our aviation industry. Tama sila na dapat from the ground up ang pag-design ng isang bagay like combat aircrafts. Fielding the Cali today in its present form is a stop-gap measure. Point defense ang labas niya tulad sa mga concept na ilan dito ng mga Nazis. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 23 2006, 08:43 AM Post #13 |
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Herr City Hunter. it seems you have a fixation for Late WWII German wonder plane designs. I strongly recommend that you dig up Ted Nomura's Luftwaffe 1946 Manga series to get your fix. BTW, here's some links on der Jumo 004, the diesel chugging engine of the ME262 Franz Anselm, Der Designer of the Engine http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/septe...ranz/franz.html A technical drawing of the engine mit captions http://www.aircraftenginedesign.com/custom.html3.html http://www.geocities.com/hjunkers/ju_jumo004_a1.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_004 |
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| City Hunter | Feb 23 2006, 08:46 AM Post #14 |
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![]() Like kung kailangan natin ng ground attack na jet why don't we design the engines of the F5 around something like this. Basta huwag lang like this: ![]() Well, siguro sa mga ambisyoso na gustong maging Pinoy astronaut agad. :) This way, ma-recycle natin ang mga pwede pa gamitin. Para hindi na lang bibili lagi ng mga kailangan. Kahit day fighter lang. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 23 2006, 08:52 AM Post #15 |
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Sir Tora^2, nope. Pang emphasis ko lang ng point ko that even under pressure at with limited resources the Nazis could've turned the tide with these if they held on a bit longer. With us having our own aviation industry kailangan na lang natin to dig up the said designs and mod them around present equipment. Mas madali for us then to field and improve designs that we need. Hindi naman kailangan super sophisticated machine to help out our troops in the field. Kahit pang maritime patrol man lang - hindi naman kailangan ng super duper high tech equipment. Malinaw na mata at matalas na pandinig pwede na like what the ChiComs do. Kung high tech equipment with our existing electronics industry siguro naman makakabuo ng infra-red cameras na may long-range telescopic lens at the very least at hindi photographic lang kundi video pa. And bounce the design back to base rin. The Americans and Soviets derived theirs from designs like these why not us rin. Yun nga lang kailangan makumbinse pa natin mga officials natin to that way of thinking. Walang kickback kasi siguro kapag local made. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 23 2006, 05:33 PM Post #16 |
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While we do have the infrastructure for manufacturing or assembling electronics, cars, firearms and even aircraft most of it isn't largely Filipino-owned. While by law, they would be mostly owned by a Filipino company, it would still be a franchise of sorts. The products being produced aren't designed here like those Corollas, Civics or even SAR21 Bullpups but in the parent companies in Japan or Korea. They wouldn't carry a name like Diamond Motors but Toyota, Hyundai or Sony. As for locally-produced weapons and ammo, we would have renowned Armscor Gold Medal pistols and Floro making small arms and crew-served weapons for the Singaporean Military. However, the local arms contractors that make it past the shady bidding process of the DND/DILG including local arsenals produce products of questionnable quality. We've heard of the story of those locally-made M16 plastics mags that aggravate the rifles's jamming problem. I've also heard somewhere that our troops prefer US-made M203 rounds over the local ones because the latter fails to explode. Local defense industries are actually more prone to kickbacks and other anomalies because it would be easier to settle things under the table with people woith whom you are related (by blood, affinitry or association) than with outsiders. |
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| el_commandante | Feb 23 2006, 06:15 PM Post #17 |
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We should emulate the Chinese, she bought the British car maker MG Rover, Presto! instant technology in carmaking, no need to invest heavily in R&D. The MG Rover now becomes a Chinese brand, like Toyota with Japan. The only ailing car companies right now I think is the Malaysian proton and the Italian Fiat. |
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| City Hunter | Feb 24 2006, 08:15 AM Post #18 |
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For me, kailangan talaga nang redesign ang Cali para magamit natin ng mas ok. Mas maganda kung tandem seating kung attack aircraft pero kung for other purpose either single-seat or yun tulad sa trainer na Golden Eagle ang seating at angled parang sa attack helicopter. Another point ko kung bakit kailangan natin magkaroon ng incentive to restart our aviation industry ay with a positive development makahikayat pa tayo for others to invest here. Kasi they'd see na tumataas ang tech and support level natin not just for basic things. And the same way the South Koreans did with theirs, import muna natin yun makina while kaya naman natin gumawa ng ok na aircraft. Taking the Cali as example, ang question natin sa ngayon anong ok na engine for it as the J85 from the F-5 isn't efficient for it. Hanap tayo ng engine abroad while we work in improving the basics lang like how to increase the fuel capacity, etc. Hindi naman super sophisticated kailangan natin for the initial Cali release. Kailangan lang naman natin ng ka-level ng S.211 to support or replace them with sa ngayon. Totally malabo siyang kapalit sa F-5. Ang goal natin ay kumbinsihin ang iba na tulungan tayo para makagawa ng kapalit sa F-5 and to do so ay kailangan maka-positive development tayo sa sariling aviation projects. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 24 2006, 08:49 AM Post #19 |
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What I would like to see Cali shortly after the project finally is back in development would be a COIN variant along the lines of its rival, the A37 Dragonfly. I was hoping that the PAF would have plans to buy segunda mano dragonflies from the US and or Latin American nations operating them to replace or supplant the OV10. However, since the US sold most of theirs and those nations South of the US have overused them, they'll be as reliable as the OV10 that crashed or those mothballed F5s. That Attack Pinto would need strengthening the arframe especially the wings to carry all that ordinance not to mention a slightly more powerful engines. Moving to that topic, one project that we should look into would be the engine Indians are developing for their Tejas LCA. Hopefully, the final product would be something we can use. I am hoping we can collabotate with them to produce a jet engine that runs on an alternate fuel particularly Coco Diesel. That is why I am very curious about the ME262's Jumo 004s since it ran on diesel and not high octane jet fuel. Other powerplants worth looking into would be those used to power business jets. After all, they can carry more people at fairly long ranges. |
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| MSantor | Feb 24 2006, 01:30 PM Post #20 |
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Herr Reichsmarshall City Hunter! Sieg Heil! Sieg Hiel! Das Philippine Luftwaffe ist Kaput! Sieg Heil Sieg Heil!
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