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Redesign the Defiant and Cali?; homegrown Pinto, Hummingbird, etc
Topic Started: Feb 22 2006, 09:01 PM (4,507 Views)
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As I see it, if we produce the Defiant equal in design to the Super Tucano it would be labeled as a copycat design. And the market share may not be much in the end especially considering that there are other equally as capable designs like the Wongbee. What are your opinions if we redesign it to something which wasn't given much chance to show itself off as a better design such as this:

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I picked this out kasi pwedeng pamalit sa OV10 dahil mukhang mas ok for observation and recon rin and as equal pa rin naman in performance to a conventional designed prop plane pwede pa rin ala Tucano. Bv 141 nga pala ito. Assymetric plane siya. Para maging mas acceptable kasi ang mga radical designs for production and pilots. Kaya di raw ito naging marami nagawa kasi naasiwa sila sa design despite the advantages.

And as for the Cali, if it will be an air defense fighter maybe we could redesign it to something like this:

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This design was submitted to the Jägernotprogram (Emergency Fighter Program) at the end of 1944. The Messerschmitt Me 262 twin jet fighter was beginning to enter combat, but a second generation of jet fighters were wanted, one that would take advantage of the (soon to be produced) Heinkel Hirth He S 011 turbojet engine. Specifications were issued by the OKL (Luftwaffe High Command), and Heinkel entered their He P.1078C fighter design in the competition for a development or production contract.
The Heinkel He P.1078C had a short, squat fuselage (all metal construction), which contained the single He S 011 jet engine. This engine was fed by a squarish air intake in the fuselage nose, which then led to the engine via a flattened air duct. The wings were constructed of wood (to save weight and resources) and contained the entire fuel supply of 1450 liters (383 gallons) and were unprotected. Featuring a large dihedral, the P.1078C's wings were swept back at 40 degrees and its wing tips were angled downwards. The downward turned wing tips were chosen because it was felt that they would have less influence on the critical Mach number of the wing and have better roll damping than vertical fins. The main landing gear retracted forwards into the fuselage sides, and the nose gear retracted to the rear and rotated 90 degrees in order to lay flat beneath the air duct. A single Heinkel Hirth He S 011 turbojet was mounted in the fuselage rear, and provided 1300 kg (2866 lbs) of thrust. Planned armament at this time consisted of two MK 108 30mm cannon with 100 rounds for each gun, placed on each side of the fuselage below the cockpit.
After all aircraft designs were submitted for the Jägernotprogram (Emergency Fighter Program), some criticism was made of the Heinkel He P.1078C design, mainly concern was expressed about the unprotected fuel tanks in the wings and the short fuselage shape, which in their opinion made it ill-suited for high speeds. Misgivings were also expressed about the wing shape. Heinkel dropped all work on the P.1078C after the February 27-28, 1945 meeting. A decision was made to concentrate more on the Fw Ta 183, Ju EF128, Me P.1110 and Bv P.212 designs.

Ito naman dahil maliit ang Cali para naman ma-explore ang mas low visibility design. And considering simple metal and wood ang ginamit kayang kaya natin malamang gawin rin.


Mga peeps, this is just to get your inputs and possible suggestions on how to make the initial designs better. Para maiba naman ang usapan.
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Ito naman kung i-retire na ang mga Broncos natin or kahuyin na lang natin yun ibang retired turboprops:

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Para mapakinabangan naman muli. I-recycle yun metal nila para gawing raw material for this. Mga idea lang ito for light discussion.
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Another for the Cali:

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At kung ayaw naman na sa Cali, ganito na lang natin gawin sa mga F5 or F8 natin:

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And another pa. Hindi naman kailangan maging ramjet ang gamitin. Ang point ko lang with these eye-candies ay with our own aviation industry marami tayong magagawang paraan even based on old data. Kung mga Nazis nakagawa ng mga jet fighters using some metal and wood for the airframe at mga hindi pa fully tested jet engines we could do better. Bili na lang muna ng makina sa labas like we do with our jeeps and jitneys.

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At isa pang pix for the Cali redesign concept. Single-engine rin with limited range and payload.
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Ok rin naman yun alternative ng tech transfer at workshare load. Like on the Golden Eagle. Use the tech to make things like this a reality for us. Heck, sa school ko noon na bulok pinaglalaruan lang ng mga mech yun jet engines. Kayang buuin at baklasin easily. And meron rin design team yun higher aviation engineering. Yun nga lang bibihira ko makita gamitin yun wind tunnel for their experiments.
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Dahil wala pa tayong pera pambili ng Harrier pwede na ba ito sa inyo?
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Pwede rin ito para low profile pa rin yun Cali.

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At idea kung gusto natin ng X-29 agad.

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Kapag ganito admittedly wala masyadong payload at range. Point defense lang.

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Ito naman paggamitan natin sa mga nakatambak na BAC-111 kung existing pa sila.
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A-10? Ito mas mura kapag nagawa natin yun Defiant.
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And we could progress to this - orbital bomber. The possibilities are endless kung meron tayo sariling aviation industry versus buying from others lang. It will be indeed a long hard road pero kung mga wartime Germans could field such designs kahit with limited resources at pressured pa so could we, yes?
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Comrade City Hunter; Lets not forget also that Cali pinto is not a fuel effecient aircraft. What i would suggest right now is to search for an engine what would replace the stock configuration. In the redesign and construction process of the aircraft the type of engine to be fitted will influence greatly part of body. Lets go back to basic of the design. then consider one thing first, what type or kind of engine to be fitted then avionics systems.

A thorough review, analysis and flight will make the design successful and airworthy.

WHAT Engine is right now the Cali Pinto (considering a lot of factors)? What are the series of the jet engine are on the market for GE? PW? VOLVO? or etc...
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