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| PAF S-211: news, status, updates, upgrades; updates, discussions | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 21 2005, 08:23 PM (23,112 Views) | |
| Sentinel | Sep 21 2005, 08:23 PM Post #1 |
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Good evening Gents, just would like to know the current status of our S-211's, how many are flyable, upgraded, decommisioned, lost... Thanks in advance for your info. 
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| israeli | Sep 22 2005, 12:13 AM Post #2 |
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as far as i know, the Singaporean S-211s are still in service (with RSAF's 130th Squadron) and currently deployed at the RAAF Pearce Air Base in Australia. perhaps our comrade spiderweb can shed light on this. 
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| Sentinel | Sep 22 2005, 05:06 AM Post #3 |
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Israeli, i guess i goofed, what i meant was our (P.A.F.) SIAI-MARCHETTI S-211's! I'am a Filipino too, and Proud of it! any news on them? |
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| spiderweb6969 | Sep 22 2005, 06:21 AM Post #4 |
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The air force plans to buy a new two - seater trainer aircraft for basic pilot training. The search for a new trainer to replace the Italian - made Aermacchi S.211 comes at a time when the Republic of Singaore Air Force (RSAF) is replacing some of its frontine fighter aircraft. After 31 years of service, the Skyhawk warplanes were retired on March 31 and in the coming months a decision is expected to be made on its replacements - a new advanced fighter. For the new trainer, the contenders include the Aermacchi M-311 jet trainer from Italy, Embraer Super Tucano from Brazil, Korea Aerospace Industries KT-1 from South Korea, Pilatus PC-21 from Switzerland and Raytheon's T-6B Texan II from the United States. Aside from the Italian M-311, all the planes are powered by a turboprop. Mindef declined to comment on the tender. The RSAF fleet of Italian - made Aermacchi S.211 trainers entered service from late 1984. After serveral mishaps, fewer than 24 of the original 30 S.211 are still in service. These 20 - years old aircraft were flown by the RSAF's Flying Training School at the Royal Australian Air Force's Pearce Base near Perth, in western Australian. Here, all trainee pilot have to undergo a nine - month basic training course to determine if they will fly fighter jets, transport planes or helicopters. Industry sources said that the RSAF will probably need fewer than 30 new trainers to replace the old fleet. They explained that improvements in technology to allow air forces to to fly such trainers more intensively than older models... - Straits Times, Home H6 12/04/05 |
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| jammerjamesky | Sep 22 2005, 07:01 AM Post #5 |
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Guys just to Manokski web site it might help how many were still flyable at this moment. Link: www.hueybravo.net |
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| israeli | Sep 22 2005, 03:46 PM Post #6 |
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sentinel: it's alright sentinel.... so far, only the Philippines and Singapore use the S-211 (Haiti already gave up flying them). PAF still has about 16-18 S-211s in operation, thanks to the overhauling of the aircraft by Aerotech Industry Philippines (more info in Manokski's website). like what spiderweb said in his earlier post, Singapore still has 24 S-211s and they are based in Australia. the Singaporeans are already poised in replacing the S-211s, leaving the Philippines being the only country in the world left that still uses the S-211. 
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| saver111 | Sep 22 2005, 04:16 PM Post #7 |
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| spiderweb6969 | Jan 28 2006, 02:21 PM Post #8 |
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we are replacing ours by 2008.... JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - FEBRUARY 01, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Singapore nears selection of trainer aircraft supplier Robert Karniol Asia Pacific Editor Singapore The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) is due later in 2006 to select a supplier for its Basic Wings Course, including provision of a platform to replace its fleet of nearly 30 Aermacchi S211 aircraft. The contract, the value of which is unknown, involves providing a fleet of fixed-wing aircraft for basic flight training together with support services. The platform requirement is for about 20 aircraft, which will be owned by the supplier and provided to the RSAF under a long-term contract. The Basic Wings Course, which uses the S211, is conducted at the Royal Australian Air Force Pearce airbase in Western Australia. The aircraft are supported by Aerospace Engineering Services, an associated company of Singapore-based Singapore Technologies Aerospace (ST Aerospace), and the new programme is likely to continue operating from Pearce. The S211 replacement programme was launched with a request for information issued in 2002 and the programme timeline was firmed up in 2004. "A decision is likely before the end of the year, and the operational date will probably be in late 2007 or early 2008," ST Aerospace President Tay Kok Khiang told JDW. Four companies are competing for the contract, with evaluation of the platforms on offer recently completed. ST Aerospace has put forward Raytheon's T-6B, which was selected by the US Air Force and US Navy in their Joint Primary Aircraft Training System competition. Other options include the Embraer Super Tucano, Aermacchi M-311 and Pilatus PC-21. The Basic Wings Course will evolve to become a 'public-private-partnership' programme with the selection of a supplier, meaning that the RSAF will operate the aircraft but neither own nor support them. This will supplement similar arrangements in place with the RSAF's Transport Wing Course, which was introduced in 2003, and Rotary Wing Course currently in preparation. Both these established programmes are operated by ST Aerospace, the former involving a single Beech King Air C90 and latter five EC 120 Colibris due for delivery before 2007. The S211s are due to be replaced in 2008, but disposal plans have yet to be finalised. |
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| israeli | Feb 16 2006, 12:57 AM Post #9 |
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DATE:14/02/06 SOURCE:Flight International Philippines left to fly solo Singapore’s retirement of its Aermacchi S211 fleet will leave the Philippines air force as the only military operator of the basic jet trainer from 2008. Philippines air force chief Jose Reyes says the country lacks the budget to acquire any new fixed-wing aircraft for at least the next five years and acknowledges keeping the S211 active will be challenging. The air force now operates only four S211s from an inventory of 18, all of which Reyes says are in repairable condition. “But they are costly to operate. If we have money we can put more in operation,” Reyes says. The air force needs the S211, the only jet remaining in its fleet, to keep its fighter pilots proficient following the decommissioning of its last Northrop F-5 last year. It also uses the S211 for light attack missions to supplement its fleet of 14 Rockwell OV-10 Broncos. “Without the S211 we have problems with our fighter pilots. It’s the only aircraft that retains proficiency of our fighter pilots,” Reyes says. The air force needs to keep its S211s until it acquires a new attack aircraft to replace its OV-10s, which is now planned for 2012 to 2017. But Reyes says “maintenance and spares will be a problem”. Contractor Aerodef Asia, however, says its inventory of S211 parts should be sufficient to support the current fleet for at least another 10 years. Italian-owned Aerodef acquired the parts from Aermacchi several years ago and now supports the Philippines air force, the Singapore air force and a US civilian company that still operates two ex-Haiti air force S211s. Singapore-based Aerodef Asia is seeking to buy Singapore’s 27 remaining S211s and remarket them to other operators. Aerodef is also backing Aermacchi’s M311 campaign in Singapore, but does not see the Philippines as a potential short-term customer for the M311 because of budget constraints. Raytheon, however, sees Philippines as a potential customer for the T-6B because the aircraft can be used as both a trainer and light attack aircraft. The T-6B could replace the S211, OV-10 and the air force’s fleet of six Aermacchi SF260 turboprops, which it uses for primary pilot training. “I think we may have some opportunities in the Philippines,” says T-6 regional manager for the Asia-Pacific Jim DeGarmo. Reyes says he evaluated the T-6B while it toured Australia last year and adds the air force may also be interested in Embraer’s EMB-314 Super Tucano for counter-insurgency missions. But he says the service aims to acquire a jet rather than a turboprop to replace its OV-10s. He expects the new platform will be used for lead-in fighter training (LIFT), ground attack and fighter intercept missions. The LIFT role will be particularly important if the air force’s plan to acquire a multi-role fighter between 2018 and 2023 is realised. Under this plan, another aircraft will eventually have to be acquired to replace the SF260s, but the air force has not included any new basic trainers in its 18-year spending plan. In the meantime, the air force is upgrading its OV-10 fleet by equipping them with four-bladed propellers and belly cannons. The service installed the new propellers, supplied by Arizona-based Marsh Aviation, on four OV-10s last year, and will upgrade another two aircraft early this year. The air force seeks funds to upgrade the final eight aircraft. The new propellers, coupled with slight modifications to the engine, have resulted in a 25-30% power improvement, giving the OV-10 the ability to carry heavier loads and remain over target areas longer. The 20mm cannons have been installed on five aircraft and the service aims to equip the remaining nine by mid-2007. It has also received a proposal from Boeing and local maintenance company Asian Aerospace for a package of OV-10 structural and avionics upgrades. But Reyes says the OV-10s can be flown for at least a few more years before they reach 15,000h, the projected end of their current service lives, and structural and avionics upgrades will only be considered after the propeller and cannon upgrades are completed. BRENDAN SOBIE / MANILA |
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| el_commandante | Feb 16 2006, 04:55 AM Post #10 |
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Here we are, dreaming of acquiring a squadron of MRF or even second hand MRF and yet we cannot even afford to maintain and operate our fleet of 18 trainer jet that is supposed to be cheaper to maintain and operate than the F16 and JAS39? 2018 and 2023 the projected year the PAF is expected to have new MRF? I am probably dead by that time! 
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