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| Marschall | Feb 25 2006, 08:55 PM Post #51 |
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I already bugged the malacanang palace for several times but they really aren't answering. they just don't care. I'm now trying to find out hw to found a political party in the RP since I have the feeling that only politicians have a chance to have their voices heard. What i now need are people liking to work with me--true patriots. |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 26 2006, 08:50 AM Post #52 |
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Sir Marschall, I agree that bugging our officials to even reply to our messages is seemingly a futile effort. But that shouldn't stop us. My guess is that we need to find the right buttons to push or who to contact with. If someone has a link to FG maybe that would be good even if doesn't have anything to do with what we are discussing. Currently, I have no update yet from Sen. Pimentel especially considering the level of tension the recent events made. I've also sent word to IAI hoping that they consider discussing the idea of producing the Lavi here. Did too with the US vice-president hoping that he consider discussing the idea during one of his meetings with the US president - that of the Lavi or F-20 to help check Communist China's military flexing. I've no idea why Northrop-Grumman asked for my mailing address when I made a follow-up on that F-20 idea and hoping that this is a positive development. Maybe they want me to do the legwork na lang even though I pointed them to Sen. Pimentel. I'm still checking up on the other sections especially on the Navy and Marine ones as those are sections which I'm a bit lacking in background in this modernization idea. Will post updates once they come in. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| phichanad | Feb 26 2006, 12:13 PM Post #53 |
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hi, i've been reading the posts in this forum for over two months now, and i think its time for me to join the fun... it seems that it is very hard for the philippines to buy its military equipments in contrast to other poorer countries...like bangladesh (where compared to them, i think we are "richer" by 3 times)... maybe its because of the filipino attitude of "project ko 'to", where a president of offical goes down with his project. Look at Erap, he was already planning to purchase advanced Sa'ar V class corvettes (i think 4 brand new units) and other military equipments, but after his downfall, all his projects came down with him. The next administration shelved Erap's project because it is "his" project, and not "her's". The only way to stop this attitude in the military purchasing is to centralize the purchasing of the military. The requirement of the military must not be depending on the president, but depending on the real requirement. If you look into it, purchasing a squadron of second hand F-16s is not that hard if you only have enough political will..... you can purchase it in many ways, in any amount at one time, and still, you'll get them. |
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| phichanad | Feb 26 2006, 12:48 PM Post #54 |
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sir city hunter, if ever we get the design of the F-5 or F-20, i was just wondering, is it possible that the air force could buy the finished product since the problem experienced is funding? maybe a few samples could be bought, but will it suffice the cost of the rights of the aircraft?? i'm for your plans for the country to purchase the rights of F-20 or F-5...better to have this than nothing, diba? |
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| City Hunter | Feb 27 2006, 07:29 AM Post #55 |
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My idea if we do get the go-signal to produce the F-20s or F-5s or Lavis here would be to produce initially only enough for a squadron or 2 to serve as air defense assets. What I would like to see is that the design be redesigned for the better and incorporate the latest technologies that have been made since then. And when we do produce this modified and more capable samples we either send the first-produced models to the reserves, sell them or donate them to a friendly ally that cannot afford to buy such to protect them - one would be East Timor. As for the cost, it is indeed high at the start but considering the cash will mostly be used here that would mean that it really isn't lost. Compared to buying things abroad - and even with good counter-trade - the support and other things required would mean more precious reserves are spent abroad and hence lost to us. And another is that the tech transfer would mean a lot of our industries would benefit too. And if there are more jobs people will be more busy doing work instead of bumming around which spells less crime. Of course this means that our people must be first well-educated in science and math to make them effective in a tech-oriented industry. And if we are to go with the posted Senate discussion, investing in such a project would mean less loss of funds in the country when considering the losses incurred with us unable to police our borders and territory. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 27 2006, 07:33 AM Post #56 |
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And we shouldn't stop on just one design. The Super Pinto/Cali should be a lesson. We must make every effort to get more designs and design our own to improve it. If we can't get the Lavi too then let us send people to study with them on how they designed it. Then use that knowledge to help improve ours. China is on the right track on that approach where they enlist help or buy the designs then develop it further. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| israeli | Feb 27 2006, 12:30 PM Post #57 |
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comrade Cityhunter: supposing we decide to actually produce the F-20 or the Lavi. which government agency and/or private firm should be tasked of doing it? also, where are going to get the funding for such undertaking? |
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| page mcney | Feb 27 2006, 12:58 PM Post #58 |
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i agree sir city hunter, i think we should start investing on producing our own MRF or getting the whole package from the manufacturer (like your example with Northrop-Grumman to India) then do manufacture variants of the aircraft. it is a huge investment BUT a very-wise investment! lalo mag-boost ang technical and scientific training at our schools because of this... our gov't must act NOW because china, as per city hunter's advice, is also doing this approach and is now developing even better aicraft and other weapons (even their submarine capabilities are getting sophisticated and hi-tech, as well as other weapon systems like helicopters, tanks, missiles, and even NVG systems). if gov't do not act quickly baka paggising natin isang umaga e gov't of china na ang naka-upo sa malacanang... |
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| City Hunter | Feb 27 2006, 01:27 PM Post #59 |
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In developing our own aircraft it should be with the joint effort all of agencies concerned. This would mean the military or defense, education, science and technology and even the power offices to name a few. My suggestion would be to create a a small committee that would oversee this and would report directly to the President. Para less hassle at mabawasan ang palakasan. Also that this be assigned as a priority if not the top priority. And dapat may incentives sa mga sasali on the project. How to fund it. Considering mas marami ang nawawala sa atin if walang capable air defense dapat gawan ng paraan na maisama ito sa budget. And dito papasok yun different agencies and offices na kasali. For example, dahil mahina ang defense natin maraming illegal fishing na nangyayari. The office that handles the local fishing industry should allocate a portion of their budget to this objective. The same would go with the Coast Gaurd. An aircraft can respond faster to a crisis need especially kung nasa alanganin ang isang unit. And a capable aircraft can fly above the storm and still continue the search with the use of sophisticated sensors. And if needed pwede rin through a storm - kaya advocate ko nga ang Bo105 kasi hindi lang twin-engined at rigid rotor kundi with a bit more mods kaya maging all-weather. Medyo mahaba nga lang itong funding debate and I haven't really gotten into the heart of it. Stuck pa kasi sa mga ok na alternatives kung negate ang Cali, F-20, and Lavi options (as ruled out na muna yun L-159 due to the questionable offer). And before this project takes off dapat focus na ng education sector natin ang science and technology at mag-offer pa ng mga night courses na mahusay at matino ang mga guro. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 27 2006, 01:35 PM Post #60 |
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But initiatives would have to come from the private sector. We tried to let Government take the spearhead in 70s with the SRDP. Unfortunately the problems with government are that they are ususally short on funds and lack consistency in their policies. |
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