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| Marschall | Feb 21 2006, 05:11 AM Post #41 |
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I think we should copy the F-5 for it is a good fighter. Well Kfir C7s are indeed improvements of the C2 but they are still good fighters and very agile with the right pilot sitting in the cockpit. The longer our politicians discuss with eachother the farther we will be left behind. Our neighbors are buying,upgrading and modernizing their forces on and on. In the end I bet our polititcians will either decide to buy maybe just 6 F-16s or buy older scond-hand junk-jets. by the way,is there any Filipino company building motors(machines) for cars/ships/jets??? |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 21 2006, 08:50 AM Post #42 |
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Sir Marschall, I recall that back then there was supposed to be a Pinoy engine derived from the designs of a Japanese manufacturer. From what I recall, it didn't take off as surplus ones were more affordable. Presently, I do not have any idea if one is being made locally for automobiles much less aircrafts and ships. From my work experience none seems to be made completely locally. That is why I've opined to our officials if they can convince the VW company to sell the designs for the air-cooled engines of the classic Beetle to us besides the derivatives of the auto itself. It would be a good start for us then combine it with the hybrid tech that our local inventors have come up with. I'll try to contact Imee Marcos in hopes she has copies of that Pinoy car that her late father envisioned. I recall it was different from the other Pinoy car concept that equally failed in the market - again due to surplus ones being cheaper and that colonial mentality. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| page mcney | Feb 21 2006, 12:54 PM Post #43 |
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sir city hunter thank you very much for the info, for me this is a start for us filipinos! we need this to be able to start our own aviation manufacturing (industry) sector, sana nuon pa sinimulan eto... i can't think why hindi matuloy-tuloy eto? i remember when i was a little boy i'd be reading PAF journals and seeing those "indeginous" planes (military and civilian) that are planned for experimentation and eventually manufactured here in the phil. (i know before it will be built and evaluated at villamor AB). for me the senate should take this seriously, why? we have the best minds here that are untapped and these "visionaries" normally went abroad to share their vision/ideas in the areo industry.. why? why? why?... tsk tsk tsk... when will these politicians and military planners learn? when the chicoms has invaded us? if they rule our skies and bomb us every day? the time is now! we should start, amid modestly, our own aviation industry. we have the manpower, we have the technology (yes we do! infact i'm working in an electronics manufacturing company here in laguna and part of what we manufacture are eletronic parts for US military radars!), we have the best quality control for such products, all we need are additional funds (if gov't is short for funds, there is the private sector -they are not hesitant to invest!)... can we also revivie our F5s? if ever we have the base for such industry? i also consider the F5s (lalo na the F-5E/F II) as an interim MRF before we could have our truly MRFs... *all i can saty is = maawa na sila (politicians and corrupt military officials) sa armed forces natin lalo na sa airforce and navy natin, kung gusto natin maging secured tayo from internal and external threats we should invest on these forces, win-win solution eto kasi pati economy natin e magiging secured and gaganda in the end... |
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| City Hunter | Feb 21 2006, 01:44 PM Post #44 |
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Sir page mcney, from what I've read regarding our F5s I don't think it would be wise to rely on them much longer. The best move would be to take Northrop's offer to India for that packaged deal for F5E/Fs that comes with blueprint, production tooling and manufacturing jigs if we want to continue with F5s. This way we have brand new F5s for our pilots to play with and export too as replacements for others seeking a similar solution. But the better option would be to go for the F20 which could be packaged as an upgrade for F5 users. Bili na lang nila yun katawan tapos ilipat muna ang basic internals ng F5 nila habang bitin pa ang budget (parang super cheapie na kotse na puro bare basics lang) kung pwede or kung hindi naman maari ay pure swap na lang as we could use the F5s as source parts for our Cali line naman - pati yun metal i-recycle natin to make new Cali bodies. Ang approach natin parang sa mga auto dealers din na depende sa budget mo ang lalabas na end product. I believe kaya naman ng ating present industry to make the Cali a reality. Hindi naman masyadong high tech and with those cheap South Korean F5s that we can afford may marami pa tayong makakahoy for Cali aircrafts. That way rin hindi na mag-aagawan ang mga piloto natin. And we can field a lot of planes for more squadrons kahit LCA class lang muna sila. Yun F5s for ready reserve na lang muna and test subject for R and D. Sana magawa nga natin na ma improve ang Cali with the F5 as a basis. At hindi nga pahuhuli ang mga local talent natin. I have a friend who's also an Avionics graduate pero naging mechanic noong OJT niya. Kaya niya baklasin at buuin muli yun mga European helicopters for servicing after some training lang. Hindi niya linya but he can do it by himself lang. Nakatipid yun mokong na may-ari kasi nga OJT lang siya at wala pang allowance. Last report niya pinipirata ng mga foreign companies yun mga personnel dito for work abroad. And I think our statements to our officials are making an impact. Sa konting mga sulat ko with Sen. Pimentel mukhang nagisa niya rin yun AFP guys especially the Air Force ones during the earlier budget hearings. Wala pa nga lang ako balita about further developments as alam ko rin na super busy sila. I'm trying to look for other officials to send our thoughts and ideas too when time permits. If may mga inputs ka post mo rin here sa forum. And if meron kang positive ideas send them to our officials. Yun nga lang hit and miss as some don't bother to reply. Tiyagaan na lang. I'm planning nga to visit the Senate one of these days basta maayos ko lang muna yun mga present priorities. BTW, besides radar components ano pa sa tingin mo ang mga electronic parts na pwede natin mabuo here? Any idea kung makabuo tayo ng FLIR and such detection equipment - kahit mga night vision goggles lang - na kailangan ng mga tao natin? Alam ko rin Sony had a plant here pero di na ako updated sa mga manufacturing industry. Maybe we could tap on them too considering mga camcorders nila may night mode. Pwede kaya bumili lang ng parts sa kanila para makabuo ang isang Pinoy company ng mga nasabing items rin? |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| israeli | Feb 22 2006, 01:26 AM Post #45 |
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comrade City Hunter, i really admire your efforts in making our land's officials realize the need for a strong and somewhat self-reliant military force. keep it up and please do update us for any development. :thumb:
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| page mcney | Feb 22 2006, 01:00 PM Post #46 |
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sir city hunter, mas maganda po ang idea nyo in-term of economics! pabor po ako dyan! i hope the others browsing in this site would certainly agree... if you noticed sir that i always use the term "economis" its because like in all manufacturing companies, we always have strict budgets but were task to do better, even the best, products without compromising the quality of these products (kaya no. 1 parin ang gawang pinoy lalo na sa electronics kasi world-class and quality). now in the present economic state of the country i think kaya pa rin natin gawin yang mga ideas na yan kahit maliit lang ang budget, they must know only the right approach, what is needed right now, what the priorities! gov't and military planners should do some benchmarking to private manufacturing companies para malaman nila how to make use our budget to the fullest. also, kailangan mawala ang mga corrupt officials form the military and gov't para mas magagamit ang mga funds sa tamang paraan (pero paano kaya mangyayari eto, hmmm... ibang tpoic a ito malamang...). anyway, yes maganda po yung idea nyo para atleast ma-istart and aviation industry natin for the civilian and military needs. atleast mababawasan and "brain-drain" natin dito sa pinas, look for example yung kwento nyo regarding sa OJT na iyon, now kinukuha sya ng multinational comapanies (excerps from the pet shop boy's MONEY: "we have the brains, they have the dough, lets make lots of money!!!"). sir, we have the capabilities to do all electronic equipments being used by the militayr around the world (albeit parts and components, but what the heck! we can do all of it here). yes components for FLIR and other detection systems are being manufactured here, almost all electronic manufacturing companies are capable of manufacturing all military equipment (components). i also forgot we also manufacture components for GPS system (and take note 90% of workers involved in the electronics manufacturing are high school graduates only! -they do assembly of parts). for NVG, its simple lenses and electronic parts/components that are also being produced here in the phil. (dont know if sony can do that, but i think they can). i think gov'y and private sector should do some meetings so as to answer your querry on this.. mabuhay ka sir! sana makinig naman sila sa mga suggestion natin, para din sa kapakanan din ng buong pinas eto. |
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| Marschall | Feb 23 2006, 05:16 AM Post #47 |
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Thx for the info Mr. cityhunter. Oh do you have cloes contact to the marcos family? |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 23 2006, 07:05 AM Post #48 |
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Personally, no kahit inimbitahan ako ni Imelda to visit Ilocos back then during a party. Kasi yun dati naming neighbor was a former PSG head. Also, Ilocano rin kasi yun late grandma ko pati na in-laws ko (although Marcos made some sort of pet project where he tasked his boys to search for fellow Ilocanos and offered them jobs which my grandma declined). And I had a classmate who is a direct relative rin. I'll be approaching Imee as an ordinary citizen. If I could get Sen. Pimentel's attention on some of our thoughts and ideas here baka pwede rin with Imee. Nothing lost in trying naman. Kapag hindi umepek siguro dun ko na daanin sa mga kakilala. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Marschall | Feb 24 2006, 03:11 AM Post #49 |
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I surely speak on behalf of the others when I say that you are doing a really good job. Do you know by chance how much money the marcos family has??? |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| City Hunter | Feb 24 2006, 07:42 AM Post #50 |
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Hmmm. I have no idea as to how much money the Marcoses have nor do I think they'd shell out any to support programs that may just be credited to their political foes. But if I'm to take in the word of a former employee who once worked for Marcos himself what the PCGG got is mere peanuts. That employee described that in the late hours one night they, meaning with the late Marcos, boarded an American submarine and departed for an unknown location. He totally has no idea where they went but when the sub came up they were inside a big underground tunnel or cavern (sorry, my memory isn't working so well in the morning). And inside were stacks of gold bars. Stacked from floor to ceiling and the said room was big. As he has no idea nor way to get back to the said location after Marcos got kicked out of power he has no update as to what happened to that stash of gold. I do believe that it is part of the Japanese loot that the Americans are retrieving for their use. It is the very same gold that Japan used to reconstruct so fast their economy after the war despite the horrible damage they suffered. From what records I read, unverifiable ones at that, Marcos and even Cory received some of that loot so that the Americans can continue to harvest it for their use during the Cold War. There are also accounts that even Bush Sr. used some as his oil investments went sour and he had to cover some costs quickly. I know that such statements are too far fetched and am not factoring it to the equation. If the Marcoses would help out, and not just as legislators, then that would be ok. Presently, I've made sent a message asking if Northrop-Grumman consider contacting our officials and offer the same deal for the F-20 they made then to India. Also, I've sent a message to Sen. Pimentel if the Israeli Lavi can be considered too as an answer to our F-5's replacement. Considering that what our neighbors possess against what the ChiComs have arrayed against it, an upgraded F-20 and/or Lavi (I like the and more) could hope to match them. Considering that the F-15 would be hard pressed to match the Su-27s (I'm considering that ChiCom Su-27 pilots are earning better incentives than ordinary ones) if flown by equally professional pilots. The same can be said with the FC-1 and J-10 if facing the F-16s, F-18s, MiG-29s, Mirage 2000s, IDFs. The level of sophistication that the FC-1 and J-10 possess now is a far leap from what they were originally conceived with thus the said delays in production. Not to mention the air refuelling, airborne radar and command capabilities. I've no update on their airborne deployment capabilities but am not dismissing those lightly too. Even their latest submarines are being based too closely to us, the Philippines, and Japan - America's two long-time allies here. Wala pa rin reply yun Israeli contact but will bug them and Northrop again - set ko lang muna priorities and sked ko plus a better arguement. But I'm not hoping for a quick response to this proposition. The last word I got from Sen. Pimentel was that they were busy with the other problems that are plaguing our country. Hence, modernization efforts have been placed on the waiting list muna. Especially with the worried stance of GMA today which even reached the point of calling off all rallies in recollection of EDSA 1. Still, if any here have similar or better thoughts do send your messages to our officials. With more of us bugging them maybe they'd cave in and start acting more concretely. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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