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| Tora^2 | Feb 16 2006, 11:30 AM Post #21 |
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The best way for me to get our external defense going would be to end our insurgency problems once and for all. I do not mean launching massive offensives and undergoing massive crackdowns alone. The governement, along with civil society should take long-term social and political and economic initiatives to make the country less condusive to insurgencies and terrorist movements. Let us remember that the wide gap between the growing number of poor and so few rich, failure of the government to fulfill the interests of the populace and instead fulfill that of the elite and of foreign powers, the lack of recognition of the basic and cultural needs of minorities (like Filipino Muslims) are just some of the roots of the insurgency problems afflicting this country. The only way would be literally to win hearts and minds and drain the water where these terrorist fish swim in. Even the Pentagon has this to say in its Quadrennial Review:
In other words, it's all about making the Philippines inhospitable to Terrorists and insurgents. |
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| flipzi | Feb 16 2006, 12:13 PM Post #22 |
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But the current setup has proven that it aint enough to defeat the enemy. The AFP needs to modernize or strengthen its capability. More attack choppers, utility air assets (choppers, medium-lift aircrafts) and even MRFs to provide the heavy punch at any time .. OR AT THE RIGHT TIME. TIMING is the key here. The reinforcement or engagement resulting from intelligence reports are often too late to meet the subjects. That's why we need more utility air assets and attack choppers to meet that requirement. :thumb: When the military finally acquires this capability, expect that the insurgency problem will be resolved early enough. BUT IF THE MILITARY WILL KEEP ON SAYING THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON OUR INTERNAL THREATS FIRST TO ENABLE THE ECONOMY TO GROW, WHICH WILL IN TURN HELP FUND THE AFP MODERNIZATION .... ... BUT WITHOUT ENHANCING THE AFP'S CAPABILITY NOW,... ... THEIR EFFORTS WILL ONLY END IN FUTILITY. The thing here is "to defeat the enemy fast" we need to get the capability that can enable us to meet that goal. Plain and simple. The argument points to addressing these issues effectively; - SURVEILLANCE CAPABILITY (we need to IMPROVE the capability in finding them) - REACTION TIME (we need to IMPROVE the capability in meeting the subjects whenever they are traced or found) - LEVERAGE IN MILITARY POWER(we need to IMPROVE the capability to overpower or defeat the subjects without losing much of our own resources, both human and materials) So, based on that, and since we have the best ground troops in the Asian region, all we need now are the UTILITY and ATTACK CHOPPERS or MRF and a much better SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. That means we need to augment our MD520 fleet and speed up the acquisition of the 6 units of AH-1F. - 8 Hueys and 2 MD520s per every division or 4 MD520 for Inf Divs covering hotspots, like in the case of 6ID and the Southeastern region of Mindanao. - A squadron of 6 AH-1F each for Mindanao, Luzon and Visayas. *** the priority is Mindanao. Buayan AB seems to be the better facility to park these choppers. *** if another 6 will be purchased, Luzon should take it. Villamor AB should take the place since it can cover both Southern Luzon and Central Luzon more effectively. The terrorist threat in NCR may also be addressed using these assets. |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 16 2006, 05:07 PM Post #23 |
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One other asset we should really invest a lot in would be surveillance UAVs of our own. It is the best way to gather real-time intel aside from Humint sources. Ideally, I'd want us to procure General Atomics MQ-1A Predators whic cost $2 Million per unit. However, I don't think the infrastructure that we have is enough to support such a complicated UAV. Of course even better, we can always make our own UAVs suited to our needs and limited C&C facilities. What it needs are decent airframes, good sensors, probably even slots for 1 or 2 250-lb bombs or pods for 2.75-in rockets. |
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| Marschall | Feb 18 2006, 03:59 AM Post #24 |
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Don't you think we should consider buying Russian Gunships for they are cheaper? We then coul acquire more fore the same price than 6 Apaches. |
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| City Hunter | Feb 19 2006, 12:33 PM Post #25 |
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I agree that our AFP needs to modernize. But we must have a definite program that would not only answer the military's needs but also our economic situation as well. Take for example the acquisition of helicopter gunships. With our PAF's limited budget the old Cobras are a good choice indeed with our limited options. What we need then is to invest on improving it. One way, as I said before, is to turn these into compound helicopters with VTDP. This would increase its range, speed, sevice ceiling and payload without investing too much in anything else. That would also spell mod sales to others interested in such an adaptation. Hence, not only does our air force have a fast and powerful gunship we also have jobs for locals. Another is the Defiant project. If we want to go exotic we can afford too now as fibersteel is being manufactured and sold here. But we need not to as a basic material is enough. And to improve its market share we introduce a new design of it for the civilian sector (same way with the Cali). We hit two markets again with one project. And if we factor in the XL-14 Maya and others from the old IST (which looks like liason and light recon aircrafts) coupled with the tech learned in designing the Defiant we increase our market offering. And the same can be done on other projects too besides aerospace. Like for example the local Wiesel copy. Let us ask the local major automobile players to invest in completely building an engine for it, the local Wiesel, and the new exportable jitney. Maybe some other subsystems too can be shared by both. Ok lang kahit medyo may range of different engines from different manufacturers basta lahat dapat completely Philippine-made. Kailangan lang political will na mukhang wala sa maraming politicos natin. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| warlord | Feb 19 2006, 01:54 PM Post #26 |
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We should buy fighter planes now. Forget about expensive fighter planes. Buy those K-fir C-10 version that Israel been trying to sell to us. Buy 24 of them with some BVR missiles soo It can fight with other new fighters around the region. Station 6 of them in Mindanao, 6 in Palawan and 12 in central Luzon soo it can respond fast to any conflict that will arise around our country. This fighter is very capable it has capability to reach mach2.3 and have the same radar as the F/A-18C version, It's a good interceptor on any planes and ships that will cross our borders. Also buy some more c-130's bring the numbers up to 12 operational and 3 reserves. It will be use for our special operations forces. 2 C-130 tanker for air to air refueling capability. Just incase we have to deliver our comandos far far away country. It can drop them high above the enemies teritory at night without being seen. HALO operations is the best. A well trained operator can land on top of his enemy and kill him with his bare hand or his knife. Also transfer half the number or the rigged OV-10 to carry and able to fire a anti-ship missile for patrolling our sea for the navy. It can loiter longer than fighter jet and cheaper to maintain. Also for the ARMY to bring the Rangers regiment up to to 3 regiments of highly trained airborne Rangers as a first strike force to any conflict worlwide. Thank God for a guy like me!
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| City Hunter | Feb 19 2006, 07:17 PM Post #27 |
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For me, hindi practical para sa atin na kunin ang mga Kfir C.10 kahit mura pa ito ibenta sa atin. Sa unang tingin impressive siya lalo na considering yun heritage at sino ang gumawa. But taking a closer look makikita natin na upgraded model siya. Meaning from old stocks na ginawang modernized lang. Ibig rin sabihin na meron pa mga parts na luma na at malamang kailangan palitan na para maging epektib pa siya for a bit longer. And note na second generation aircraft siya. Ibig sabihin hindi siya optimized talaga for upgrades. Kung mga third generation models tulad ng F16 orig (hindi yun bagong models ngayon like the Block 60 na 4th generation na) at F18 ay limited pa rin ang upgradability, mabibitin lang tayo with it. Hindi magagamit then to full potential kahit may pera pa tayo pambili ng upgrades. Hindi pa kasama dito ang question ng airframe at ayon sa mga reports na mabigat ang avionics package niya na for the design. Parang F4 Phantom II lang bale ang labas nito. BVR ang load niya tapos ibira agad lahat from a distance at sibat na para mag-reload. Wala pa rin tayo then effective MRF. And note na ang mga ChiCom ay perfecting na ang laser tech for offesive use na pwedeng i-blind ang mga seeker heads pati yun mata ng pilots. Plus meron na rin silang studies on rail guns and stealth. Kaya malamang kailangan mag close in pa lalo yun mga C.10s natin to the threat, in this case mga ChiComs, kung saan mas effective ang weapon ng ChiCom over ours. With their Flankers at mga passive detection gear pati mga vectored thrust BVR missiles dehado pa rin ang atin. At dahil alam ng threat ang limitations ng C.10 hindi nila ito masyado katatakutan. And lastly, dahil maaring magamit sa mga rebeldeng Muslim ang C.10 magwawala ang mga Muslim allies natin if that happens. Marami pa rin sa kanila ang may malalim na galit sa Israel at mahirap ito ipagwalang bahala. Kaya siguro yun nabanggit ko noon na mga PAF Kfirs na nakita ng kaibigan ko ay sa gabi nilalabas at pinalilipad. Ano then ang practical idea? Ang naisip ko sa ngayon ay bilhin natin ang mga murang F5A/Bs ng South Korea. Kung makatawad tayo sa Taiwan para sa mga F5s nila ok rin basta huwag lang ma-antagonize ang mga ChiCom. Ang mga ilan sa ito gagawin Ready Reserve Force na naka-deploy ready and armed for quick take-off. Pero di gagamitin for ordinary intercepts at patrols. Dito papasok ang Cali natin. Sa mga nakuha natin na mga murang F5s kakahuyin natin para mabuo ang systems ng Cali. Bale, yun Cali airframe at skins na lang gagawin natin. Isalpak ang motor, avionics at ano pang sub systems na pwede para mabuo ang Cali na isang eruplano. At dahil isa lang ang engine niya yun isang engine ng F5 ay naka condition na for quick replacement. Bale, pwede natin ma sustain ang continued operations this way. Kapag kinalas yun nakalagay na engine service agad at yun reserba na naka condition na ang ikabit sa Cali. Tipid na tayo then pero hindi pa ito ang final answer syempre. Para sa mas epektib na ground support kailangan rin natin yun Defiant at Hummingbird. Sila ang gagawa ng COIN missions. Para mapaganda natin ang Cali kailangan natin mag-invest sa design. Isa na rito ang F20. If reports are to be believed pinackage deal na ito ng Northrop noon sa India yun nga lang mas pinaboran ang iba kasi mas high tech. Ang di nila na factor kasi yun potential na hindi pa na tap sa F20. Considering hanggang ngayon nasa prototype or secret projects pa rin ang forward swept wing ay malaki pa rin ang value ng F5 design. Ito ang maaring maging F16 natin para sa depensa ng bansa. Still, hindi dito nagtatapos. Ang F5 design kasi simple at mura i-operate at maintain. Hanggang ngayon marami pa rin meron nito sa inventory nila. At dahil simple ang design pwede natin magamit para mapaganda pa lalo ang Cali. Hindi kailangan ng matinding fly by wire tech para gumanda ang performance. Pinakita na rin ito ng MiG29 at Su27. Low tech approach muna tayo. At kapag nakuha na natin ang surplus Gripen Bs ay meron na tayong study platform para sa 4th generation plane. Note na with the Cali at F5 meron tayong 2nd generation plane para pag-aralan. Meron tayong F20 na 3rd generation at Gripen na 4th generation. Siguro naman malaman na natin ang mga ok at bawal to design a 5th generation fighter na sariling atin (hopefully). Sa puntong ito, pwede na natin magamit ang ilang tech ng Gripen sa Cali at F20. Especially yun effective data link. At mas effective pa ito kung magagamit sa link ang mga mobile radars na temporary replacement sa mga sira or walang fixed radar installations. At kung makapag partner tayo sa ibang aviation oriented allies and/or makakuha pa tayo ng ilang designs to study from tulad ng Yugoslavian Novi Avion mas mapapabilis ang pag-asenso ng aviation sector natin. In the end, ang Cali magiging maliit na F20 na mukhang magiging pantapat sa mga ALCAs. Ang F20 with the fly by wire at other tech na mula sa Gripen at iba pa ay maging combat operational X29 na na kayang tapatan ang future fighter na balak ng Russia at Amerika na forward swept wing rin. At ang Gripen magiging 2 engined na parang Rafale at the very least. And during these development phases hindi naman na tayo masyadong vulnerable. Ang C.10 kapag napabagsak o nasira mahihirapan tayo palitan. Sa Cali pwede tayong gumawa anytime at may reserba pa tayo na pwedeng kahuyin. Ang mga F5s na unang ginamit para sa Ready Reserve Force will eventually be for cannibalizing para sa mas marami pang Cali. At supportado pa ng Defiant at Hummingbird na compound helicopter at VTDP equipped pa (na may gunship model na rin tayo then). Ang F20 considering bagong gawa ay mas tatagal ang buhay compared sa 2nd hand na F16 na kung babasehan sa budget natin ay malamang laspag na. Ang Gripen naman ang premier fighter natin muna at upgraded to our custom needs (most likely yun larger internal tanks at improvements sa engine na ginawa sa D at next na yun avionics). Ang Gripen B rin ang magiging tactical leader ng F20 at Cali flights kung kinakailangan habang ginagastusan ang upgrades. At with this program hindi limited ang assets natin. Hindi rin tayo kakabahan na mga bulok ang pinalilipad ng mga piloto natin. Remember mas magastos at mas matagal mag produce ng piloto pang combat kumpara sa aircraft. Ang problema natin ay kung kaya nila i push to the limit ang design ng aircraft. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Marschall | Feb 20 2006, 03:01 AM Post #28 |
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hey Cityhunter. What is the "cali"? Is that an experimental plane of the PAF? I see your point with that. And I agree. The F-5 would indeed be a good start for experiments dealing with our own jets. But the Kfir-C7 is also a proven good fighter with combat experience. We could also acquire 3 for experimental purposes. |
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| edwin | Feb 20 2006, 06:53 AM Post #29 |
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I beg to disagree on radar issue about KFIR 2000/C-10 having the same radar with F/A-18 Hornet. The radar of Kfir is short range(35-55nm or 100 kilometers) and cannot be on par with the performance of F/A-18 ADVANCED TWO RADAR IN ONE that can detect airborne target MORE THAN 160 kilometers.
Flying KFIR C-10 will just put the pilot in a very dangerous situation specially in BVR warfare due to its limited radar detection range. While KFIR C-10 is scanning the airspace for potential airborne target, the other plane BVR missiles is already on the way to KFIR because of its long radar detection range. Peace to all. |
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| City Hunter | Feb 20 2006, 07:32 AM Post #30 |
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Ito yun shelved Romanian fighter na binili ng China from rumors at naging FC-1: IAR 95 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The IAR-95 Spey was a Romanian project for a supersonic fighter jet. The project was started in the late 1970s and cancelled in 1981. Shortly after, the project was restarted again. The project was cancelled for good in 1988 due to lack of funds before a prototype could be built, although a full-scale mockup was being constructed. The design was a high wing monoplane with lateral air intakes, a single fin, and a single engine. Designs with two fins and two engines were also considered but it was decided to go with the single engine single fin design. Other designations given to this project are IAR-101 and IAR-S and refer to different design layouts. Romania considered a joint program with Yugoslavia, but the latter declined because it was designing its own supersonic fighter jet, the Novi Avion. The IAR-95 looked identical to the Chinese FC-1, a joint Chinese-Pakistani fighter jet designed in the 1990s. There was some cooperation between the military industries of Romania and China so it is likely that the design for the IAR-95 was sold to China and became the FC-1. Note: Please refer to the FC-1 page for FC-1 information. IAR 95 is NOT related to FC-1. [edit] Specifications The following technical data applies to the design that progressed the furthest: Length: 16.0 m Wing span: 9.3 m Height: 5.45 m Wing area: 27.9 m^2 Empty weight: 7880 kg Max takeoff weight: 15,200 kg Weapons max load: 3200 kg Powerplant: One Tumansky R-29-300 turbojet rated at 122kN (27,420 lb) with afterburner [edit] Sources Romanian National Institute for Aerospace Research INCAS S.A. International Air Power Review, Winter 2001-2002 Ito ang isang basis ko why we need to invest in aviation designs. Pwedeng maging shortcut to our development. Yun Novi Avion atbp may still be up for grabs. I don't know about the Lavi pero balita rin naibenta na or naipasa yun tech sa mga ChiComs na rin. So, sa future hindi lang FC-1 at Su-27s at J-10s nila ang problema natin pati mga ilang shelved projects na nabili nila. This is why I'm after developing our own aviation industry para kaya natin tapatan agad ang threat. Kung bibili tayo malamang luma at di kaya i-counter ng effective ang threat. |
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