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Topic Started: Feb 11 2006, 07:56 AM (3,512 Views)
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Feb 13 2006, 07:10 AM
Given our current situation, the only acceptable option we have against possible external security threats like the People's Republic of China would be diplomacy.

Diplomacy?

The Chinese predicted that ... that's why they braved through stealing Mischief reef. The point is,..... THEY KNEW AT THE OUTSET THAT WE WOULDN'T CONFRONT THEM MILITARILY.

THEIR GOES YOUR DIPLOMACY.

Let's not forget that ANY NATION'S DIPLOMATIC RESOLVE IS ALWAYS COMPLEMENTED BY IT'S MILITARY STRENGTH.

Why Taiwan remains independent from China is one.

There goes your DIPLOMACY.
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Aside from our own initiatives as well as the intervnention of the US, we would also have to settle such issues through multinational agencies we belong to like the ASEAN and the UN.

True indeed. But is it?

Despite the presence and our active participation in the two bodies,... the Chinese flag still stands proud in Mischief Reef.

There goes your UN and ASEAN.
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Immediate rearmament to match our neighbors is not feasible due to the high cost better spent for basic services like food and healthcare (though certainly not debt servicing).

True indeed. But it should not inhibit us from ENHANCING our defense setup.
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Besides, the more serious threat to national security would have to be those insurgency groups like the NPA and Abu Sayyaf as well as multi-national terrorist groups like Al Qaeda who threaten the social fabric of Philippine Society as well as economic development.

And THESE THREATS CONTINUE TO FLOURISH BECAUSE WE ARE SATISFIED WITH HAVING A GOOD POOL OF FOOT SOLDIERS.

The commies have been waging this war for almost 40 years now.

We have the Marines with its Force Recon, Scout Snipers and SOPs and also Scout Rangers, the LRC, the SWAG, the Special Forces, the PAF-SOW, the SAF .. etc etc etc.

But still the war goes on.

It seems the military is bent on continuing this "cat and mouse" blunder.

A STRONG AIR FORCE IS THE MISSING FACTOR HERE. Surveillance is another.

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They are best defeated by political, economic and cultural reforms coupled by a tactical response led by guys with rifles backed up with minimal air support.
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backed up with minimal air support. ?

Come to think of it, the current setup is just like that. Now, Sir, are we done with the insurgency problem?
No smart bombs or LASER-guided weapons necessary

:agree: What we need is MORE assets that we can use TO BEAT TIME.
This "cat & mouse" setup is rendering our meager fleet seemingly USELESS.

We need more of them and we need the type that can make a kill even at night and can bomb them to hell even when their hideout is near civilians.

In that scenario, can you hit them with unguided bombs?

The choppers need to be "multi-role" types because of the threat of terrosism. Terrorists prefer mingling with civilians to serve as human shields. They even use civilain vehicles and even aircrafts in their operation.

How can you stop a vehicle or a chopper or a plane if all you have is a chopper armed with unguided rockets only?

I believe this link below will tell us more of what the Air Force needed to get the missing edge.

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2850&st=150
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Feb 13 2006, 11:17 AM
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Feb 12 2006, 07:18 AM
The Americans will inhibit themselves in another country's territorial claims, but will defend a helpless and defenseless country if being trampled upon by aggressive and powerful threats from foreign nations.

Remember WWII ? Who liberated the Philipiines ? History.... anyone ?

This kind of posture and reasoning makes me sick. This is one reason why our country's defense is too weak and cannot fend off even a swarm of flies and indeeed we became parasites to stronger nations leaving to them the tasks that we filipinos should be doing.. :headbang:

You have a good point there.
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La computadora tienen muchos chicos enojados con Estados Unidos. Hay, soy muy triste. Porque soy es un felipino pero vivo en la tierra de los libres.
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It's so much easier to pin the blame on a scapegoat rather than to accept the fact that a lot of other Filipinos, especially the ones in the position to make a difference, lack the will, initiative, and the vision to do anything.

C'mon, man. Why the sharp words? I'm living in the Heartland, too.
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And if you're referring to me as the naive fool from the heartland... well, I guess I can't do anything about it then :specool: .
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Before we even think of getting fighters, first we must have the money. The main reason why our defense suffers, why our people are hungry, why there are insurgents, is because there is corruption. We will never have enough money for anything, no matter how ingenius the proposal is, if politicians and high ranking officials are seeping our monetary resources.
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We cannot be contended on our thinking that nobody will invade us, :headbang:

or it is useless for other nation to do such invasion in the Philippines because we are much more of a liability to the invaders.

Every country had its own scope of interest and PROTECTION for Survival is the name of the game.

It is a BIG MISTAKE to neglect our External defense just because there are other pressing needs to be considered as Priority.

HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO BOOST OUR DEFENSE JUST TO FIGHT AN INTERNAL CONFLICT??
Are we going to arm a Police institution or Create a Strong Armed Forces that will Protect our Country and respond to any crisis should any circumstances arises??

How many Insult are we going to take because we cannot defend ourselves to other nation who wants to take our Island that is rightfully belong to us.??

Our DEFENSE must be well prepared in order to deal effectively to all type of crisis that our country may encounter.

Philippine politician must PLAN AHEAD for the safety of countrys FUTURE. Peace to all.
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It is a vital priority and it is the right of a sovereign nation to defend itself from threats from outside and within. Unfortunately, the country is confronted with different realities that make it difficult for us to uphold the right for us to defend ourselves from external threats:

Many sectors in society see increased defense expenditure as a "luxury" in a 3rd world country. Why spend billions of pesos on fighter jets and guided missile frigates when we need the money for more classrooms and training for teachers and hospitals and to keep our doctors and nurses in the country.

Those sectors think that international disputes are best settled by diplomacy and the intervention of multi-national bodies like the UN and ASEAN. Why fight when we can talk it out and simply get along?

They also see this as a form of militarization - cowing down to a military with a reputation for corruption, violating human rights and delving into politics.

Politicians along with members of the defense established think it would be better for the AFP to focus on fighting "Wars They Can Afford to Fight". In a COIN campaign, all you need are guys with rifles with a little bit of artillery and air support. However, they don't see that aside from guys with rifles, they would also need social, political and economic reforms to take the rebel fish out of the water they swim in.

Systems needed for an effective external defense are costlly. Acquiring, maintaining, and operating weapon systems like MRFs, ground-based RADAR networks and diesel subs are more expensive compared to feeding, equipping and training an Infantry division. Procurement involves a lot of politics and embeds us into a state of interdependence with nations like the US, EU and China.

Defending our nation is an issue that is one of the complicated problems afflicting the country that cannot be solved by quick fixes like ammending the constitution and booting out presidents. However, steps must be taken to do something about such problems.

I am not against beefing up our defenses. I'm just showing what challenges we would have to face to get it done.
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Many sectors in society see increased defense expenditure as a "luxury" in a 3rd world country

There are 3rd world or poorer country than Philippines that manage to shape up their defense even with overwhelming internal problems.(i.e. Sri Lanka, Columbia,Vietnam, Bangladesh,India etc.etc).

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Politicians along with members of the defense established think it would be better for the AFP to focus on fighting "Wars They Can Afford to Fight". In a COIN campaign, all you need are guys with rifles with a little bit of artillery and air support


Sir, How long are we going to focus and concentrate on improving our Defense based only on our Internal conflict and forgetting a much larger picture on the overall Protection and Security of the country. ?
Developing our External defense will automatically enhance the capability of AFP to deal effectively on our Internal threat. There is not much difference between the weapon used for Internal and External threat. The fact is we need better equipment that can be use for the defense of our country with great result.

Those illegal activities or foreign encroachment within our territorial water are already a big blow to our economy.
The island we lost in Spratley can be use for Economic purposes that will greatly benefit no other than million of PINOYS who are suffering now because our economy is upside down. How can we achieve Economic growth if we have no means to protect and guard the source of our economy??
Let us hope that AFP will achieve thier modernization program on time. Peace to all.
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Guys,

It would be foolish to think that a modern and strong AFP is only for external aggression. We need a credible defense to protect our marine resources, enforce our aerial and territorial rights. Our losses in illegal fishing, poaching and violation of aerial rights is more than the investments we would have to do, to make our AFP a credible force.

No one in the world will take our foreign policies seriously since they know we cannot enforce them, without a credible force to back up our claims.

Let us strive for a credible, lean, modern, responsible force. In the end, our investments will reap our country more dividends. And will help gain for us a measure of respect in world affairs.

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