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| Marschall | Feb 11 2006, 07:56 AM Post #1 |
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I think the Philippines should first focues on building a strong and capable PAF. Let' say with 200 Mirage 2000 and 80 SU-35/37. With these gusy we would bw able to really face any threat to our sovereignty. It is the PAF that has to be modernized first. :patriojavascript:emoticon(':patrioticpinoy:') smilieticpinoy: :patrioticpinojavascript:emoticon(':armycool:')smiliey: |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Feb 11 2006, 09:07 AM Post #2 |
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Our greatest enemy is poverty within the vast majority of the populace. Let us feed them with decent meal first before craving to expensive military hardware. Acquiring and displaying expensive and highly sophisticated tools of war will only aggravate the anger of the hungry people thus it increases the will to become enemies of the state, that compounds our present insurgency problems. The threat against our sovereign nation is at the lowest end of the scale, and granting there is, this can be easily contained by the superpower allied to us. |
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| Marschall | Feb 12 2006, 05:22 AM Post #3 |
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I don't think that we'll be able t fight poverty within the next years--Our folks are just too corrupt to manage to do that. Should our defense suffer for that? I'd rather be poor and free than rich but forced to speak Chinese and forget my culture. If the country is secure then we can start focusing on other things. I'm also not very sure if the US would help us in case China let's say occupies Palawan and risk an atomic war with the Chinese, Did the Americans help us when they occupied some of our islands(Spratleys)? Should we always rely on other people like paracites? |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Feb 12 2006, 07:18 AM Post #4 |
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The Americans will inhibit themselves in another country's territorial claims, but will defend a helpless and defenseless country if being trampled upon by aggressive and powerful threats from foreign nations. Remember WWII ? Who liberated the Philipiines ? History.... anyone ? |
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| Marschall | Feb 12 2006, 08:13 AM Post #5 |
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Isn't the occupance of our oil-rich islands enough demonstration of Chinese aggression??? We have to get the Sukhois and Joint-strike fighters. A nation of our size should be able to protct itself and not rely on others. Anyone remember Tibet? |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| possible | Feb 12 2006, 12:49 PM Post #6 |
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here’s some history: Philippines, 20th Century Wars of Invasion, Civilian Casualties Philippine-American War (1898-1902) – 200,000* sources: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/philam.html http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm#Phil-Am http://www.taphilo.com/history/war-deaths.shtml World War Two (1941-1945) – 90,000* sources: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/pi/pi.htm, http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/70-7_06.htm http://corregidor.org/chs_wpo-3/wpo-3.htm *deaths only, conservative estimate _______________________________________________________________________ the lessons of history are clear: the enemy must be stopped before he can land and initiate fighting on the ground. romantic as the notion of guerilla warfare may be, it has always resulted in prolonged suffering and death for Filipinos. the Americans - as any realist knows - will only act to protect their own interests. nurturing escapist fantasies like "(the Americans) will defend a helpless and defenseless country if being trampled upon by aggressive and powerful threats from foreign nations" is hopelessly naive. another misconception: except in the minds of the willfuly ignorant and short-sighted, a responsible external defense posture is by no means synonymous with neglecting internal security, or ignoring social problems like poverty and its root cause of inequality. intelligent discussion results in intelligent solutions. join the discussion, or get out of the way. |
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| the reaper | Feb 13 2006, 02:50 AM Post #7 |
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Any foreign assault on the Philippines will send the U.S. off the roof. Why? First of all its pointless, the P.I. would be more of a liability than an asset if occupied; and second of all, outright invasion of the Philippines which hasn't done anything like gas a whole town with 10,000 people or give thousands of dollars to suicide bombers just coz they blew something up in the name of whoever for whatever reasons. Another reason is that the aggressor would be condemned by the international public, which would bring more setbacks than gains that could have been achieved by invading the P.I. Neighbors would be wary, then they'd ante up by buying weapons from and sucking up to Uncle Sam, trade might go down, stock market will follow, clout and influence would go down, and so on and so forth. Just citing some reasons... |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 13 2006, 07:10 AM Post #8 |
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Given our current situation, the only acceptable option we have against possible external security threats like the People's Republic of China would be diplomacy. Aside from our own initiatives as well as the intervnention of the US, we would also have to settle such issues through multinational agencies we belong to like the ASEAN and the UN. Immediate rearmament to match our neighbors is not feasible due to the high cost better spent for basic services like food and healthcare (though certainly not debt servicing). Besides, the more serious threat to national security would have to be those insurgency groups like the NPA and Abu Sayyaf as well as multi-national terrorist groups like Al Qaeda who threaten the social fabric of Philippine Society as well as economic development. They are best defeated by political, economic and cultural reforms coupled by a tactical response led by guys with rifles backed up with minimal air support. No smart bombs or LASER-guided weapons necessary |
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| MSantor | Feb 13 2006, 11:14 AM Post #9 |
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Excuse Mr. Former Top Awardee '82, but even if the Philippines owes its very existence to the United States, I must disagree with you about the statement that America will always come to a defenseless country's aid. That is NOT true, because as some cynical, conservative dickwads are always prompt to to point, "Nations do not have alliances or friends, only interests", so don't expect America to always come to the Philippines' help. The Philippines need to build up its own defenses. Did America help the Tutsi minority of Rwanda when they were being massacred and made victims of Genocide by the Hutus in 1994? No. Did America CARE when the Bosnian Muslims were at Srebrenica were being slaughtered? No, in fact a US Admiral who led the airstrikes against Serb targets in the Bosnia campaigns after the genocide, as well as then Sec. of State James Baker both said "We don't have a dog in this fight". Why do US taxpayers continue to pay the US Coast Guard to ward off Haitian boatpeople and Cuban boatpeople at sea? And why do taxpayers pay millions to the US Cutoms service and USCIS (formerly INS) to find every means not only to keep illegal immigrants out, but make it freaking hard for those who try to immigrate there legally as well. Which explains why non-citizen, non-green card holder immigrants have to suck up to this employer or that employer just to get a god awful overrated green card. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that America should be treated as an enemy. No, of course not. But remember that America first and foremost, will only care about itself. The modern United States is a lot different from the "Greatest Generation" that fought to liberate Southeast Asia and Europe in World War II. I'm just saying that with Conservatives in power in the US, don't expect that country to come to anyone's help unless it's in America's self interest! This explains why many Republicans want to get rid of America's financial dues to the UN if not totally disband it. And if any Fil-Am patriots here like some certain know-it-all from the US heartland tell me that usual BS rhetoric that America fought for Iraq's Freedom back in 2003, they're even more naive than I thought. If Operation Iraqi Freedom really was done for the Iraqis, then why is it that the first former Saddam govt. ministry to be guarded US 3rd ID troops was the Oil Ministry? |
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| 21Scorpio | Feb 13 2006, 11:17 AM Post #10 |
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This kind of posture and reasoning makes me sick. This is one reason why our country's defense is too weak and cannot fend off even a swarm of flies and indeeed we became parasites to stronger nations leaving to them the tasks that we filipinos should be doing.. |
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