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The Mother Ship Concept/MPV/Multirole Vessel; PN's Strategic Sealift Vessel
Topic Started: Feb 10 2006, 02:21 AM (71,421 Views)
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These Mother Ship LSTs provided a nesting area for the small crafts to replenish their ammunition, take on fuel, and needed supplies, make repairs, and perform maintenance while alongside the LST.

http://www.lst1126.com/, http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/0...adron/index.php

at minimum, the Philippine Navy needs to perform missions of offshore patrol, transport of men and material, disaster relief, SAR, and coastal interdiction missions against terrorist groups. instead of acquiring separate platforms for each, wouldn't it be more efficient to get a few larger but more capable vessels to perform multiple missions? - as in, "capable" not in terms of weaponry, but rather versatility?

the Philippine Navy currently uses its LSVs as helicopter platforms and patrol vessels. the trend of using re-activated WWII LSTs for the same purpose was common in Vietnam:

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http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/160786.htm

ASW helicopters have operated from Singapore's ENDURANCE-class LST/LHDs deployed in the Persian Gulf, the same ships also serving as platforms for Cougar transport helos during the tsunami relief effort; these ships also deploy smaller landing vessels and assault boats in addition to their main role of delivering Marines and vehicles directly onto a beach; using its 76mm dual-purpose gun, the ENDURANCE-class can support ground forces up to a distance of 16kms.

another vessel capable of meeting similar roles is New Zealand's Multi-Role Vessel, a part of the innovative Project Protector:

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http://www.defencemodels.com.au/Projects/MRV.asp

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The Tenix 131-metre MRV meets or exceeds all operational requirements, including those for cargo and troop carriage, speed, endurance, helicopter operations, and the secondary role of Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) patrol and response.

The Tenix MRV is fully equipped for EEZ patrol and response. Specifically, the design provides for a gentle roll period when empty at loiter speeds through the inclusion of active anti-roll tank stabilisation, bilge keels, and the wide beam and hull lines
of a passenger ferry. The proposed sea boat, helicopter facilities and gun provide a measured peacetime enforcement capability.

http://www.tenix.com/PDFLibrary/239.pdf

4 February 2006
Media statement

Defence Minister Phil Goff visited the Merwede shipyard in Rotterdam today to inspect the Royal New Zealand Navy's new Multi Role Vessel (MRV), which is due to be launched next weekend.

"It is designed to be fully operational in harsher conditions than the weather that keeps the Cook Strait ferries in port. Obviously not sailing due to inclement weather is not an option when you are patrolling in the southern ocean, for example, where there is no shelter."

The MRV will have a maximum speed of 19 knots, and be capable of transporting the Army’s Light Armoured Vehicles and Light Operational Vehicles, as well as 250 troops, one Seasprite and four NH90 helicopters. It will have two 60-tonne landing craft – also being built in Rotterdam – for situations where port facilities are not available.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0602/S00063.htm

the civilian version:

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BEN MY CHREE - PASSENGER / FREIGHT FERRY

Ben My Chree is a combination passenger and freight ferry, providing a vital lifeline link between the Isle of Man and the north of England. The Isle of Man, situated in the Irish Sea, is a major holiday destination, as well as being a key venue for the TT (tourist trophy), Grand Prix motorcycle endurance races and other sporting events – all of which attract many hundreds of thousands of visitors every year. Although well served by airlines, the island’s somewhat remote location requires regular, reliable sea transport. An economic and tourist boom in the mid-1990s fuelled the need for an additional ferry service for transporting building materials and construction equipment.

The result of this demand is the 12,500gt Ben My Chree, a £24 million (US$39.5 million) newbuilding from the Dutch ferry specialist Van der Giessen de Noord BV. The order was placed by the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company, and is the company’s first new ship for 23 years.

http://www.ship-technology.com/projects/ben/

though not a true military LST, the MRV is nevertheless a modern, efficient and relatively affordable transport, offering a secondary EEZ patrol capability when not burdened with the weight of heavy cargo. interestingly, the New Zealand vessel was acquired from the same Australian company which made the Philippine Coast Guard's FOSARV search-and-rescue vessels.


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^ taking off from your suggestion of having multi-role vessels to perform a variety of duties such as amphibious transport and offshore patrol, perhaps another vessel that is worth considering is the MEKO 200 MRV (sorry. the file is in PDF format).

this what Blohm and Voss is saying about this versatile ship:


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Main characteristics ship platform:
Length, overall: 121.00 m
Length, DWL: 109.00 m
Beam: 17.00 m
Draught: 4.40 m
Displacement: 3,900 t
Range: 8,000 nm
Endurance: 30 days
 
Propulsion:
2 high-speed diesel engines 5,200 kW each
2 shafts fitted with controllable pitch propellers
Max. speed > 22 kn
 
Crew: Total 150 + 10
 
Helicopter: optional


The MEKO® 200 MRV is designed according to the same rules and principles as applied to the MEKO® 100 OPV. lt has been designed as a long range, high endurance cutter with the enhanced flexibility to operate as a true Multi-Role Vessel "MRV" with additional mission capabilities. As a larger vessel, the MEKO® 200 MRV obviously outperforms the MEKO® 100 OPV having more space for more equipment and personnel.


Furthermore its has:

* Superior seakeeping characteristics

* a significantly longer range and endurance of above 8000 nm run 30 days

* higher availability for longer operations on the high seas

* larger boarding party capacities due to:

- Two 30 knots / eight person RIBs
- An additional nine meter 25 knot long range inspection/ rescue boat equipped with the appropriate communication systems, which can be launched and hoisted up to SS5

* On deck space and stowage for oceanographic/ hydrographic/ environmental equipment containers

* on deck stowage of wheeled equipment with the following advantages:

- all equipment can remain fully fuelled and ammunitioned ready for immediate action upon arrival
- less fire and explosion hazards below deck
- no necessity for explosion proof ventilation in covered cargo decks
- vehicle weapons can be deployed as additional defence guns

* On deck stowage and operation of:

- Remote controlled minesweeper/ minelaying equipment
- UAVs and UUVs

* Accurate dynamic positioning without heading (two CPPs, bow thruster, two independently controllable rudders)

* Heavy lifting 20-tonne gear/18 meter reach crane

* Larger training facilities for up to 150 cadets with large briefing and lecture rooms, Practical demonstration of shipboard gear for trainees

* On-board medical training in the ship's hospital


Multi-Role missions for the MEKO® 200 MRV can be classed into the following tasks with overlapping and interfacing components: Peace Keeping and Sealift, Disaster Relief and Evacuation.


from the PDF brochure, here are just some of the missions that the MEKO 200 MRV can do:

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Peace Keeping and Sealift:

* For rapid force deployment, the MEKO® 200 MRV can transport a payload of
550 tons plus 150 persons at 15 knots over distances exceeding 8000 run and
30 days. Transportation on the stern deck of heavy and bulky equipment,
weapons and containers. All relevant mounts and lashing points are flush to
ensure undisturbed helicopter operations from this deck.

* Five lane cargo deck which totals 200 lanemeters length.

* On-the-body-equipment storage facilities for 80 kg per person with easy
access for fast disembarcations.

* Loading and unloading with the ship's own 20-tonne/18 meter reach crane in
port and at sea.

*  Discharging up to SS3 with seafollowing controls on crane.

* The crane handles 20/ 4Oft containers.

* Briefing rooms and special communications for special forces.

* Dedicated accommodation for special forces which is separated from the
permanent crew and provides for mixed complements.

* Separate ammunition storage for special forces.

* Two helicopter (12-15 tonne) landing areas when the deck is cleared of cargo.
Day and night operations up to SS6. Inflight refuelling system. (A hangar is
optional).

* NBC citadel for the accommodation and engine room.


Disaster Relief and Evacuation:

The parameters for disaster relief and evacuation bear similarities to those of sealift
mission task

* Heavy gear and machinery for re-construction and other civilian aid measures.

* Supplies of all kinds, liquids, medicine, medical gear, provisions etc. in trucks
and containers.

* Transportation of heavy gear, ambulances and helicopters for rescue services.
Protection for the crew and evacuated in the NBC citadel from toxic gases
through, for example, volcanic activities.

* The MEKO® 200 MRV has the capacity to accommodate and support
approximately 200 evacuated persons.

* Large hospital facilities to cater for sick and injured.

* A field hospital consisting of twenty or more containers can be carried on deck.

* Fast and easy helicopter operations ensure rapid evacuations, even under
adverse conditions


Naval Mission:

* Due to the modular concept, the MEKO® 200MRV can be upgraded at short
notice with a sensor and effector package similar to that of the OPV 100.

* The 25 knot version of the MEKO® 200 MRV is capable of sailing at the same
speeds as a modern containership, a Ro-Ro or passenger vessel.


Courtesy and Good Will Missions:

The MEKO® 200 MRV has more than ample space below and on deck for transporting home produce and industrial goods overseas to other countries when the vessel is de-ployed as the versatile exhibition or diplomatic ship. Due to its generous accommodation layout, it can offer comfortabie lodging to accompanying representatives. Its professional ambient is the prestigious background to forge and cultivate successful business and diplomatic contacts. We believe there is currently no other comparable vessel on the market which is able to compete with any of these two ships in value for money, multi-role capability, high availability or reliabllity.



CGIs of the MEKO 200 MRV:

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if a more potent offensive capability is required: the ABSALON-class has been featured here before, but the Brits have come up with a similar concept:

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http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-voj...005/tehnika.asp

the DML Group FC65 concept: 155mm land attack gun, active phased array radar, towed-array sonar, 32-cell VLS accomodating up to 128 surface-to-air missiles, additional 42 short-range SAMs in CIWS launchers, and two heavy ASW helos. plus a 500 square meter cargo deck under the helipad. top speed, 35 knots with all-electric propulsion.


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three BATRAL-class LSTs were built for France in the early '80s. would the PN be interested in acquiring these second-hand?

new:

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the US-Australian HSV-series . no introduction necessary.

a similar vessel would be either of the USN's LCS contenders.



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i think it is applicable also that the PN can lease the vessel of superferry or sulpicio lines and modify it to satisfy the MRV rule of the vessel.Actually the current Tonnage of this vessel has a higher capacity than of the MRV of New Zealand.

Take for example the Super Ferry 19 or the Princess of the Star.
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comrade possible: correct me if i'm wrong but i think the French Champlain class is a purposely-built LST and not really a multi-role vessel if we are to follow the flow of our discussion here. :dunno:

regarding the status of the Champlain class LSTs, almost of them are still operating in far-flung French overseas outposts such as New Caledonia, French Polynesia and Martinique except for the flagship Champlain, which was retired in 2004 and used as a target ship during a sinking exercise. :headbang:


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MRVs such as the Absalon class and the FC65 seem to be very powerful machines that can be comparable to some of the guided-missile frigates and corvettes that some of world's navies have nowadays. if only the Philippine Navy could just get some of those powerful ships given its meager and often stolen budget. :drunk:


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let us study Project Protector of the Royal New Zealand Navy:


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http://www.navy.mil.nz/visit-the-fleet/pro...tor/default.htm


Project Protector


Project Protector fleet requirements were outlined in the 2002 Maritime Forces Review, conducted by Defence in close cooperation with MFAT, the Ministry of Fisheries, Customs, Treasury, the Maritime Safety Authority, and Police among others. In mid-2004 a study was undertaken in conjunction with the Civilian Agencies to decide the number of vessels and fleet mix necessary.

The Project Protector vessels' capabilities include sealift, coastal and offshore patrol, and at-sea training for the RNZN. New Zealand's approach to the Protector ships, that they are designed, built and maintained to commercial standards, is consistent with other contemporary navies.


The Multi Role Vessel (MRV)

The MRV is contracted-out to Merwede Shipyard in the Netherlands, but will be sailed to NZ or Australia for final fit-out. The MRV should be delivered to the RNZN in late 2006.

Tenix's MRV as a design based on a commercial Ro-Ro ship, BEN-MY-CHREE in operation in the Irish Sea. Tenix's existing facilities could handle building the ship, but the Dutch yard offered the best use of the facilities available in order to get the ship to the RNZN as soon as possible.

The MRV will have diesel-electric propulsion and a max speed of 19 knots. The MRV is intended to provide a sealift capability for the transport and deployment of equipment, vehicles and personnel, and to be capable of transferring cargo and personnel ashore when port facilities are not available.

Displacement:  8000 tonnes
Length overall: 131 metres
Beam:            23.4 metres
Speed:            19 knots


Complement:  Core ship's company:  53
                      Flight personnel:        10 
                      Government agencies:  4
                      Army ship's staff:        7
                      Trainees:                    35 
                      Troops:                      250 
                      Total:                        360


Propulsion:      Diesel engines

Flight deck:      Space for two helicopters

Helo: The NH90 helicopter has been selected to replace the RNZAF's Iroquois utility helicopters. It will be able to operate from the MRV carrying Army equipment from the ship to shore.


Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV)

Two ships are required to conduct maritime surveillance, in conjunction with maritime air patrol assets to the limit of New Zealand's EEZ, in the South Pacific and in the Southern Ocean for a total of about 420 days annually.  Tasks in the southern half of the EEZ are mostly offshore, but activity in the south almost doubles during winter, coinciding with the worst sea states.

The Tenix Offshore Patrol Vessels are based on a design already in service with the Irish Navy. They will be built in Melbourne with modules made in Whangarei, where modules were also built for the 10-ship Anzac frigate project.

Displacement:  1600 tonnes
Length overall: 85 metres
Beam:            14 metres
Speed:            22 knots
Range:            6,000nm

Complement:  Core ship's company:  35
                      Flight personnel:          10 
                      Government agencies: 4
                      Additional personnel:  30
                      Total:                        79


Inshore Patrol Vessels (IPV)

Four IPVs will be built and launched at Whangarei, to conduct maritime surveillance in support of civil agencies in the area from the shoreline to approx 24 nautical miles.  The total requirement is for about 950 sea days annually. Tasks in the northern half of our EEZ (north of and including the Marlborough Sounds and Tasman Bay) are almost all inshore, with relatively constant levels of activity during the year. The Inshore Patrol Vessels are based on a Tenix-designed Search and Rescue vessel in service with the Philippines Coast Guard. 

Displacement:  340 tonnes
Length overall: 55 metres
Beam:            9 metres
Speed:            25 knots
Range:            3,000 nautical miles

Complement:  Core ship's company:  20
                      Government agencies: 4
                      Additional personnel:  12
                      Total:                        36


The Delivery Schedule:


2006

* March:        Two LCMs for use with the Multi-Role Vessel
* December:  MRV


2007

* Jan/Feb:      Inshore Patrol Vessel 1
* April:          Offshore Patrol Vessel 1
* May/June:    IPV2
* September:  IPV3
* October:      OPV2
* December:  IPV4


DCN comments:

'By end of 2007 there will be seven new ships in our Navy, with the first of those berthed at Calliope Wharf in less than 2 years. Overall, we will need an extra 245 effective people in Navy by 2008 than there are today.

We need more people to fill our current shortfalls in rank and trade and to allow reasonable breaks from sea, and we will need more people to both support the seven new ships of the Protector fleet and to go to sea in them.  We need to bridge the gap in training capacity from the decommissioning of Canterbury in April 2005 until the MRV arrives at the end of 2006.'



if we are to follow Project Protector, the Philippine Navy will not only need one MRV, two OPVs and four IPVs similar to that of the New Zealand plan but AT LEAST three MRVs, six OPVs and 12 IPVs due to the Philippines' vast territory and EEZ.

also, the MRVs that the PN should get must have anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare and air defense warfare capabilities, unlike the planned New Zealand MRV that has NO provisions for SSMs, SAMs and ASW torpedoes (such roles though are relegated to the two ANZAC class guided-missile frigates).
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comrade possible: correct me if i'm wrong but i think the French Champlain class is a purposely-built LST and not really a multi-role vessel if we are to follow the flow of our discussion here. :dunno:

regarding the status of the Champlain class LSTs, almost of them are still operating in far-flung French overseas outposts such as New Caledonia, French Polynesia and Martinique except for the flagship Champlain, which was retired in 2004 and used as a target ship during a sinking exercise. :headbang:

yes, you are indeed wrong. as I said before:

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at minimum, the Philippine Navy needs to perform missions of offshore patrol, transport of men and material, disaster relief, SAR, and coastal interdiction missions against terrorist groups. instead of acquiring separate platforms for each, wouldn't it be more efficient to get a few larger but more capable vessels to perform multiple missions? - as in, "capable" not in terms of weaponry, but rather versatility?

the Philippine Navy currently uses its LSVs as helicopter platforms and patrol vessels. the trend of using re-activated WWII LSTs for the same purpose was common in Vietnam:

we are looking for vessels that can perform the missions listed, namely, offshore patrol, transport, disaster relief, SAR, and coastal counter-terrorist actions. being a helicopter-carrying LST, the BATRAL-class is inherently capable of the last four roles, and as you stated, the BATRAL-class routinely operate in distant French possessions so the capability for long-range patrols is also proven. so for the PN, the BATRAL-class would simply be a straight replacement for its ancient LSTs, which are also de facto MRVs the way the PN had been employing them.

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if we are to follow Project Protector, the Philippine Navy will not only need one MRV, two OPVs and four IPVs similar to that of the New Zealand plan but AT LEAST three MRVs, six OPVs and 12 IPVs due to the Philippines' vast territory and EEZ.

that sounds reasonable. something like the BEN MY CHREE would probably be a US$40-50 million vessel today, on another thread I posted that an 80-90m OPV would be available for US$15-30 million, a 'Project Protector Philippine Edition' won't be an obscenely expensive undertaking.

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also, the MRVs that the PN should get must have anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare and air defense warfare capabilities, unlike the planned New Zealand MRV that has NO provisions for SSMs, SAMs and ASW torpedoes (such roles though are relegated to the two ANZAC class guided-missile frigates).

not necessarily. consider New Zealand's requirements:

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The Requirement for Maritime Forces

1.5 The Government’s objective is to equip the Navy with a practical fleet that is modern, sustainable and matched to New Zealand’s needs. To meet this objective the Navy requires the capability to undertake an extensive array of military and nonmilitary tasks in widely varied environmental conditions. This requires a Naval Combat Force, Naval Support Force, Naval Patrol Force, Mine Countermeasures and Diving Support Force, and a Hydrographic service.

·  A Naval Combat Force is required to undertake the most demanding military tasks. These include providing for the defence of New Zealand and its territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), meeting our alliance commitments to Australia including responding to South Pacific and Southern Ocean contingencies across a broad front, meeting our Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) obligations and contributing to UN and other multilateral peace support operations. The ships of the Naval Combat Force also demonstrate New Zealand’s commitment to regional and global security through ship visits, and training and exercises with other countries. With the disbandment of the Air Combat Force the ability of the Naval Combat Force to participate in FPDA activities will take on added importance.

·  A Naval Support Force. There are two elements to the Naval Support Force. The first is the provision of underway replenishment of deployed forces, currently provided by the fleet tanker, Endeavour. The second is the provision of a sealift capability for the transport and deployment of equipment, vehicles and personnel without access to a port. No Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) capacity currently exists. A MRV that is able to meet a range of roles in our region would also have a tactical sealift capacity. The MRV’s roles would also include: responding to natural disasters in the South Pacific; undertaking humanitarian relief operations; participating in peace support operations; military support activities; and contributing to development assistance in the South Pacific.

·  A Naval Patrol Force is required to conduct maritime surveillance, in conjunction with maritime air patrol assets, in the New Zealand EEZ, to assist South Pacific Island states to patrol their EEZs, and in the Southern Ocean. The surveillance tasks are primarily non-military in support of civilian agencies. These tasks can be grouped as inshore tasks that cover the area from the shoreline to about 24 nautical miles; offshore tasks that extend to the limit of New Zealand’s EEZ; tasks in the South Pacific; and Southern Ocean tasks.

·  A Mine Countermeasures and Diving Support Force is required to provide mine countermeasures and clearance diving support capabilities. The requirement is to protect New Zealand’s seven major ports through: the development of safe routes into them; the maintenance of a route survey database; the development of a capacity to dispose of mines and other explosives underwater; and by practicing the skills necessary to lead merchant ships through cleared access routes into the ports.

·  A Hydrographic Service refers to the provision of hydrographic survey and associated services to the NZDF, Land Information New Zealand (LINZ) and other civilian agencies (this is the subject of a separate review and is not addressed further in this report).

http://www.defence.govt.nz/pdfs/reports-pu...ations/mfr1.pdf

the Kiwis distinguished between the Naval Combat and the Naval Patrol missions; thus platforms intended for patrol and surveillance like an MRV (or OPV) need not be armed to the teeth, as would a dedicated combatant like a frigate. less complexity=$aving$ in terms of maintenance and training.

besides, the point of the "mother ship concept" is that an MRV would be able to deploy smaller platforms: a helicopter like Super Lynx or Seahawk can be equipped with the relevant sensors and weapons - dipping sonar, 360-degree radar, antiship missiles and torpedoes - and can operate hundreds of miles distant from its mother ship, lessening the latter's exposure to the risk of attack. thus a helicopter-equipped MRV like the one employed in Project Protector

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Helicopter Operations

Recognising the importance of the MRV’s training and operation role, helicopter facilities provided in the MRV have been designed to replicate those of the ANZAC frigates in service with the RNZN. The Australian DoD’s independent analysis of the MRV platform indicates that helicopters can be launched and recovered at the top of sea state 5.

http://www.tenix.com/Main.asp?ID=972

can still have a useful war role even though it lacks its own missiles and specialized sensors.


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Return of the Gators? US Navy Stands Up New Coastal Warfare Squadron
Posted 09-Feb-2006 11:40

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EagleSpeak Blog, run by a former Captain, USNR (ret.), notes the recent "stand-up" of Naval Coastal Warfare Squadron Five (NCWRON-5) near San Diego recently. Once at full strength, 325 sailors will go to war in a fleet of speedy 34-foot, SeaARK Marine aluminum-hull boats (likely Dauntless Class) equipped with .50-caliber and 7.62mm machine guns and 40mm grenade launchers. The boats cost $500,000, and can be loaded quickly aboard Air Force C-17 transport jets for quick transport to trouble spots. SeaARK boats of these types are also in use by civilian agencies like the NYC Police and National Park Police.

Is this part of a trend? It most certainly is...

The San Diego Union-Tribune notes that Navy officials quietly started organizing the squadron in September 2004 around the lightly-used Naval Outlying Landing Field in Imperial Beach, near the Tijuana River. This was about the same time that US Maritime Force Protection Command (MARFPCOM) was stood up, with the mission of the consolidating the expeditionary units the Navy deploys overseas to protect ships, aircraft and bases from terrorist attack.

In April 2005, MARFPCOM's sailors, patrol boats, underwater explosive ordnance disposal groups; Mobile Diving and Salvage Units (MDSU); the Naval Expeditionary Logistics Support Force (NAVELSF); and Naval Construction Forces Command (NCFC, aka the "Seabees") were reorganized under a new Echelon III type command: the Naval Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC) which oversees NCWRON-5.

As NECC Commander Rear Adm. Donald Bullard told the San Diego Union-Tribune, "We've had to expand to this battle space, because that's where the terrorists are... We need to interdict. We need to go find, fix and kill."

Given that mission, which will certainly involve relatively close-quarters firefights, protection such as gun shields does appear to be rather sparse. Likewise, such ships will need the kind of high-accuracy firepower overmatch that could easily sink a hostile craft like the bomb-laden suicide attackers of the USS Cole.

Other countries with similar missions and problems are taking somewhat different approaches the to firepower/protection aspect going forward. Singapore is beginning to use Spartan Unmanned Surface vessels, which will soon be armed with stabilized remote weapon mounts that may even sport Hellfire or Javelin anti-armor missiles. Israel uses larger patrol craft like its 25-meter Super Dvoras, armed with the versaile Typhoon stabilized naval remote-control weapons system for accurate firepower overmatch. Typhoon comes in different sizes, and can be fitted with machine guns, autocannon (most common), and even anti-armor or air defense missiles.

The San Diego Union-Tribune report also notes that Chief Petty Officer Napoleon Bryant handpicked each of the sailors, "looking for those with the physical and mental toughness to stand up to long patrols in small boats on rough seas." Future squadrons under NECC may benefit from the advent of fast M-Hull ships, which address that physical problem directly by significantly reducing the pounding small boat crews receive. The MS40 patrol craft is based on the same technologies used in the SEALs' 88-foot Stiletto stealth ship.

Moving to the big picture, Naval Coastal Warfare Squadron Five will be part of the US Navy's renewed attention to creating a "brown water," or riverine force. This has been done before; perhaps the best-known instance in modern times was the Vietnam War's "Swift Boats" and "gator navy".

Yet sites like River Vets remind us that even the Swift Boats were just one component of the Navy's total riverine force, which included up-gunned and up-armored "Monitors" and even LSTs (Landing Ship, Tank) from World War 2 and Korea. As the USS Sohnomish County [LST 1126] site explains, many were recommissioned and used extensively in the Vietnam War, delivering men and equipment up-river, patrolling, and acting as "Mother ships" for Swift boats, small patrol boats, helicopters and their troops. "These Mother Ship LSTs provided a nesting area for the small crafts to replenish their ammunition, take on fuel, and needed supplies, make repairs, and perform maintenance while alongside the LST."

LSTs continue to serve in this role in modern times. Singapore is sending a Singaporean LST [RSS Endeavour] to patrol Iraq's coast, where a number of NECC's sailors are already stationed. As the MINDEF release notes, "During its deployment, RSS Endeavour will provide logistics support for coalition vessels and helicopters, conduct patrols and boarding operations, and protect the waters around key oil terminals."

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060201-N-4021H-097 San Diego (Feb. 01, 2006) - Members of the Naval Coastal Warfare Squadron Five (NCWRON-5) stand in formation in front of SeaARK patrol boats during their commissioning ceremony at Naval Outlying Landing Field in Imperial Beach. NCWRON-5 will give the Navy an improved in-shore warfighting element and assist in maritime security missions. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate Airman Damien Horvath (RELEASED)

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Italy's new carrier with cargo and trnsport capability..
CAVOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIER, ITALY

On 22 November 2000, a contract was drawn up between Fincantieri and the Italian Ministry of Naval Defence to supply an aircraft carrier vessel, known as the Nuova Unita Maggiore (NUM) or "New Major Vessel", to the Italian Navy. Building work on the new vessel, which was originally to be called the Andrea Doria but has since been named the Cavour, began at Fincantieri's shipyards in Riva Trigoso and Muggiano in July 2001. The Cavour was launched in July 2004 and the aircraft carrier will be delivered in 2007, entering service in 2008.
CAVOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIER DESIGN

The ship has a standard displacement at full load of 27,100t, an overall length of 244m and a sustained speed of 27 knots. It can accommodate up to 1,210 people on board, including ship's crew of 451, 203 aircrew, an amphibious command force of 140, and San Marco Battalion of 325, plus an extra 91 troops if required.

A strong feature of the ship is its high flexibility in operational terms. It is able to carry out the functions of an aircraft carrier as well as the transport of wheeled and tracked vehicles, for both military and civil missions. The aircraft hangar can accommodate 100 light vehicles or 24 main battle tanks for amphibious missions. The ship can also support four LCVP landing craft.
AIRCRAFT CARRIER FUNCTION

The vessel is equipped with a flight deck suitable both for operations with helicopters and with short launch, vertical take-off fighter planes. It has a hangar/garage of approximately 2,500m² which can also accommodate wheeled and tracked land vehicles.

The ship can support eight VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) aircraft such as AV-8B Harrier or F-35 joint strike fighter VTOL variant, or 12 helicopters, such as the EH101, NH 90 or SH-3D, or a mix of platforms. Landing operations will be supported by the Telephonics AN/SPN-41A radio frequency all-weather instrument approach landing system and the Galileo Avionica SPN-720 advanced precision approach radar.

For the purposes of moving aircraft and vehicles embarked, two elevators are installed for aircraft and there will be two access ramps to move vehicles from the quayside to the hangar / garage.

Further features of the ship include a hospital facility with three operating rooms, wards for hospitalised patients, X ray and CT equipment, a dentist's surgery and a laboratory.

CAVOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIER WEAPONS

The carrier is armed with two Sylver eight-cell vertical launch systems for the Eurosam (jointly owned by MBDA and Thales) SAAM/IT missile system, which fires Aster 15 missiles. The Aster 15 missile has a 13kg warhead and a range of 30km. The missile's guidance is inertial with data uplink and active radar terminal homing. For increased manoeuvrability in the terminal phase, the missile uses a 'PIF-PAF' direct thrust control system with gas jets. Primary sensor for the SAAM/IT is the Selex Sistemi Integrati (formerly Alenia Marconi Systems) Empar G-band multi-function phased array radar, which provides simultaneous surveillance, tracking and weapons control. The first ship-launched missile firing of the SAAM/IT system took place in December 2002.

The vessel will be equipped with two Oto Melara 76mm Super Rapid guns and three 25mm anti-aircraft guns.

CAVOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIER COMBAT SYSTEMS

Selex Sistemi Integrati (formerly AMS) is the integrator for the vessel's combat system and also supplies systems including RAN 40L 3D D-band long-range radar, RASS surveillance radar, IFF and navigation system. Other members of the combat system team include Elettronica, Selex Sensors & Airborne Systems (formerly Galileo Avionica) and Oto Melara.

Other systems include mine avoidance sonar and anti-torpedo towed array sonar, electronic support system (ESM), two radar / electro-optic fire control systems and an infrared surveillance system.

CAVOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIER PROPULSION SYSTEMS

The Cavour is powered by combined gas turbine and gas (COGAG) propulsion. The four LM2500 gas turbines, developing 22,000kW each, are manufactured by FiatAvio of Turin under a license agreement from the US company, General Electric (GE). The four turbines drive two gear units which provide 60,000shp each.

Auxiliary power is provided by six Wartsila CW 12V200 generating sets, rated at 2,200kW each. Two shaft generators are rated at 2,200kW each.

The vessel is fitted with two pairs of active stabilising fins and twin rudders and has bow and stern thrusters.
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again, comrade possible, you saved the day. thank you so much for the clarifications. :armywink:


this is my idea of the Philippine version of New Zealand's "Project Protector":

* three MEKO 200 MRV multi-role vessels
* six MEKO 100 OPV offshore patrol vessels
* for inshore patrol duties, 12 Patrol Killer Medium class patrol boats

one "group" will be composed of one MRV, two OPVs and four IPVs. each "group" is tasked to perform patrol duties in a certain part of the Philippines, e.g. Palawan and South China Sea; Northern Philippines between Batanes and Taiwan; Pacific coast from Cagayan to Surigao.

however, it will not be enough that the Philippine Navy will solely depend on those MRVs, OPVs and IPVs. there will be a need for the PN to purchase combat ships such as four guided-missile frigates or six guided-missile corvettes.


again, i am hoping for your clarification(s) if ever there is (are) mistakes in my post. thanks again! :armysmile:
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