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| No Air, No Force: A Wake-up Call; the debate in the Senate | |
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| Tora^2 | Jul 8 2006, 02:30 PM Post #71 |
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It may be the most professional (or at the very least the least shaken up by recent controversies) of the major services but it seems to be among the most neglected. Aside from the lack of modern combat aircraft (especially fighter jets), most of its other air assets are of Vietnam War vintage and are heavily worn out. In fact the first of the recently-retired F5As in its fleet were delivered when the current CNCAFP's Father was the Commander-In-Chief. Several pilots in recent years died heroically with hands at the stick. The last time a pilot was killed due to enemy was probably during height of the MNLF insurgency during the 70s. They sacrificed their lives to save thier fellow aircrew and people on the ground from their crashing aircraft. Despite all this, they seem to be at the bottom end of the deal since the Army given first priority over the AFP's limited resources since they, along with the Navy's Marine Corps, has taken center-stage in the long-running COIN/CT campaigns. These dirty little wars have also whittled down the AFP to the major force it once has |
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| City Hunter | Dec 29 2009, 09:26 PM Post #72 |
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I know this is an old thread but looking back parang walang nangyari sa usapang ito sa Senate. Kailangan ng major changes sa future at hindi puro kwentuhan lang na nauuwi sa wala ang mga maluklok sa pwesto. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Blue Maxxx | Jan 2 2010, 03:21 PM Post #73 |
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Cannot be! Phil Air Force wil be a Super Air Force 2025 the least..
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Per Ardua ad Astra "Through Adversity to the Stars"! We Filipinos should always aim High! to the Stars! and Beyond them blue yonder!.![]() | |
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| Valdore | Feb 28 2010, 11:57 AM Post #74 |
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Oh! Good! Very Good Indeed! Hahahahahah!!!!... China will have the chance to invade our beloved motherland Philippines and rape her childrens, subdue them to Communist Doctrine.. So Communist Rules! Peoples Communist Republic of Philippines Rules Now!..
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| Blue Maxxx | Mar 5 2010, 11:13 AM Post #75 |
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That all I can say about this..
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Per Ardua ad Astra "Through Adversity to the Stars"! We Filipinos should always aim High! to the Stars! and Beyond them blue yonder!.![]() | |
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| Vermonter | Oct 29 2010, 06:56 PM Post #76 |
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A Philippine Air Force (PAF) which is incapable of controlling its own airspace, is a sign of pathetic national governance. It has been 5 years since the 40 year old F-5 fighters have been retired due to maintenance related accidents. One cannot blame the previous Filipino presidential administrations for the incompetence of continuing to follow a failed 15 year old modernization plan. In the past ten years, the Philippine government has been offered the US F-16 Falcon and F-18 Hornet, the French F-1 and Mirage 2000, the Russian MIG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker, the Swedish Grippen and the Italian Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets. The external threats to Philippine airspace has already proven to be real and destructive to the republic’s survival if not countered immediately. Malaysian Hawk jets have fired upon and chased off Filipino aircraft in disputed areas. Chinese aircraft routinely fly through Philippine airspace. In the mid 1990s, at the end of the very short service of the PAF F-8 fighters, the lack of routine air patrols and deterrence, enabled Communist China military forces to occupy the outlying and once Filipino flagged Mischief Reef. As a result, Filipino fishermen have lost thousands of square miles of area to fish, since China has moved its territorial waters just off of Philippine shores. As of right now, the Chinese government complained about the Philippine government (GRP) repairing Filipino outposts that are deplorable condition, while the Chinese bring in ship loads of routine maintenance and build-up supplies to their newly built bases in the Spratly Islands. The presence of modern PAF fighter jets would have avoided such embarrassing circumstances for Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP). There have many offers from different sources to rebuild the Philippine Air force fighter fleet. The older US built F-16, the French F-1 and Mirage 2000 fighters are no longer being built for their respective source countries. The Su-27 Flanker and MIG-29 is being flown by potential adversaries such as Malaysia and China. The MIG-29 has been defeated by its western contemporaries over Iraq and the Balkans. The multi-role F-18E/F Super Hornet may be again subject to restrictions, since American officials have been reluctant to even offer basic weapons package for the 35 year old AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter, according to General Ebdane. It would be poor judgment to choose the multi-role Grippen fighter, since Sweden’s refusal to have an embassy in the Philippines would result in logistical supply nightmare, especially with its American systems. Italy’s Alenia offered the European consortium Typhoon jet fighter to the PAF in the turn of the century. The Typhoon, seconded only by the USAF F-22 Raptor in exercises, would best anything else in Asia. The price of a new built Typhoon would place it out of reach of the Philippine government’s budget. However, Italy had recently offered Romania 24 fairly new (but barely used) Typhoons to match the US offer for F-16C/D Block 52 fighters for a bargain price of $1.2 billion. There are rumors that France may have offered its Mirage 2000 multi-role fighter, with a loan package to fund the purchase. Also, any fighter prospects would have to include the American built AIM-120 AMRAAM or European Consortium Meteor medium range air-to-air missiles, along with joint helmet mounted target cuing systems (JHMCS) to level out the playing fields with the Philippine’s neighbors. The AFP will be receiving an 80% increase in its defense budget. About 75 percent of the increase will be given the AFP’s general headquarters (GHQ). The GHQ consist of the same “Euro Generals” that were caught by Moscow officials for embezzling thousands of euros during an official state visit to Russia. The AFP is trying to more transparent by acquiring high end systems through bids. Unfortunately, the bidding process within the AFP is a failure, because the bid requirements are almost always customize for only one specific company. One example is the Philippine Marines requirement for a rifle, that MUST be able to mount a Heckler & Koch grenade launcher, of which the Heckler & Koch HK416 is only licensed to be mounted on. It is also said that active and retired AFP officials often demand 30-40 percent kickbacks to ensure a specific company win a bid. Direct country to country negotiations have proven reliable when the GRP purchases high end weapon systems for the AFP. An example of a successful direct country to country purchase is the Alenia S211 trainer jets, which are not only soldiering on after 20 years, but also have humbly taken the role of fighter/attack for the PAF. Many “so called military experts” within the GRP say new fighters are not needed, and that new jet trainers to focus on counter-insurgency (COIN) is needed. It is irrational to purchase new jet trainers for the PAF, when it is cheaper to install new avionics and refurbish the remaining 15 S211 jet trainers locally by Aerotech Corporation to place it in par with newer western jet trainers. With a newer jet fighter or multi-role fighter (MRF), the PAF can attack terrorist forces (MILF, Abu-Sayaf and private armies) much quicker, at longer ranges and with more bombs. Armchair generals say it would be better if the GRP purchases COIN aircraft now and fighter jets later, according to the AFP’s “Horizon Modernization Plan”. It would be unsound and expensive for the PAF to maintain two different COIN and fighter aircraft in the future. In 2003, then President Arroyo went to the United States with the intent to purchase surplus F-16 fighters, only to be convinced by external factors that the PAF did not need the F-16s, along with the satisfaction of the Philippine’s adversarial neighbors who have more financially invested in the US government. Additionally, there is the “diminishing savings” due to higher purchase cost as years pass for high end weapon systems if the GRP continues to wait to purchase new fighter jets. Ten years ago, a F-18 Super Hornet jet fighter that had cost $45 million each, now costs over $85 million today. The current Filipino presidential administration has no plans to purchase new fighter jets for the PAF. The continued use of the S211 jet trainers to fly fighter jet patrols has already resulted in the loss of one, off of Palawan due to weather conditions last year. The Philippines should pursue the purchase of the Typhoons, that Italy had offered Romania. The Philippines have always enjoyed a good arms trade with Italy. Filipino leaders have continually failed to achieve the intent and end-state goal of the PAF’s modernization, which is a military force capable of defending its own skies. Regrettably, currently and for another six years again, there is no force in the Philippine Air Force. |
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| pachador | Oct 30 2010, 01:17 AM Post #77 |
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A government that ignores its core responsibility of preparing and building up the country's defense against future aggressions does not deserve to be the government of the people. The excuse that we are poor and that our economy is weak is not an excuse because a poor or rich country must always safeguard her sovereignity. thats in the constitution. Asking for doleouts and freebies from other countries just adds salt to the wound of a people whose government that refuses to accept responsibility of building up a credible armed forces, and instead wants other countries to protect us. shame shame shame !!! |
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| KFIR | Oct 30 2010, 07:49 AM Post #78 |
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1. Don't forget that also Israel has offered the Philippines its IAI KFIR. 2. The F-16 is still being built by the United States. 3. The AH-1 Cobra was offered by Israel not the US. 4. Is Italy the primary manufacturer and seller of the Eurofighter Typhoon? |
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| Vermonter | Oct 30 2010, 03:26 PM Post #79 |
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1. Both the stopgap A-4 Skyhawks and Kfirs offered were too inferioir to be taken seriously. 2. "The older US built F-16, the French F-1 and Mirage 2000 fighters are no longer being built for their respective source countries.", means they are no longer building them for their own air forces. 3. "American officials have been reluctant to even offer basic weapons package for the 35 year old AH-1 Cobra", means you cannot sell an American weapons system without US government permission, even if the seller is Israel. 4. "Italy’s Alenia offered the European consortium Typhoon jet fighter to the PAF ...", means as an EDA (Western European) consortium, Italy's Alenia was chosen to market to the Philippines. |
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| Marschall | Oct 30 2010, 10:45 PM Post #80 |
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Could the PAF afford to purchase and maintain a considerable amount of Eurofighters Typhoons? I've just read an article on the F-16IN Super Viper - this might be another option for the PAF: but that would require for the PAF to change its standards for weapons' acquisitions. |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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