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No Air, No Force: A Wake-up Call; the debate in the Senate
Topic Started: Feb 7 2006, 02:28 AM (7,455 Views)
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come to think of it, there might be more to Osmeña’s stance than simple grandstanding: might the airmen at Mactan have denied him the use of their planes one time too many? - alternatively, given that the PAF’s transport planes happen to be based on Osmeña’s turf, if anyone in the Senate can be implicated in allegations of govt. officials’ frivolous use of PAF aircraft, who else would it be but… :armytwisted:


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Feb 18 2006, 11:16 AM
^what’s really pathetic is that Osmena’s acting as if the rest of us owes him a favor for shooting down the C-130 deal! is the PAF’s transport wing still based at Mactan? I wonder what they think about the man who virtually put them out of business…

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So, ... either he really hated the Air Force for whatever his reasons were or he just wanted to block the modernization.

I wonder if he's more than grandstanding here. More like a red symphatizer to me.
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yours is not to forgive, young man, nor transparent attempts at face-saving, but to admit your mistakes honestly, God gave us all backbones, use it.

I admit i've been too unforgiving. :drunk:
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as for General Biazon, rest assured, mr. flipz, his ideas as well as his reputation are in no way diminished by your opinions.

That's another issue. His failure to bring the modernization program going despite being a former CSAFP and in spite of the fact that he has been in the lawmaking body for so long now, IS A MANIFESTATION THAT HE CANT DO THE JOB.
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pasensya na, mr. flipz, but in this time of genuine crisis, we simply cannot afford any more misconceptions. let’s keep the idiots in the Senate- then again, let’s not! 

my analysis still makes Sen. Pimentel a good prospect for the pro-modernization team, considering his experience and that a good reasoning may sway his standpoint to favor us.

i have no question on Sen Gordon.

Sen. Osmena, the grandstander here and the one who pretends he knows the deeper issues here, should be swept away from the deliberation. You are right, Possi. LET'S NOT!
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naaawa ako sa sarili ko ang army natin pag natalo sa agnos river eh mag gegerilya warfare.

ang navy pag na wipe out sa lingayen gulf pede pang mag small ship ambush

ang airforce d nila kaya yun no alang gerilya warfare sa hangin.

kaya ibigay na lang natin sa kanila ang gusto nila.

para ala nang pangamba.

tingnan nyo ng ginawa ng hari ng thailand. diba hindi sila nasakop ng kahit anong western countries? kasi ibinigay nya ang gusto nila. ganun din naman sa stin.

wag taung umasa sa us.

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naaawa ako sa sarili ko ang army natin pag natalo sa agnos river eh mag gegerilya warfare.

ang navy pag na wipe out sa lingayen gulf pede pang mag small ship ambush

ang airforce d nila kaya yun no alang gerilya warfare sa hangin.

kaya ibigay na lang natin sa kanila ang gusto nila.

para ala nang pangamba.

tingnan nyo ng ginawa ng hari ng thailand. diba hindi sila nasakop ng kahit anong western countries? kasi ibinigay nya ang gusto nila. ganun din naman ang dpat na gawin ntin.

pag nagkaoon ng digmaan alang magagawa ang UN para satin... wala taung langis.

props lang ang non nato ally.. pampagimbal lang yun...

wag taung umasa sa us. nabalitaan nyo ba nang magdonate sa tin ang china worth $1M++ military items? nagalit palihim ang us. tapos nagulat na lang tau nang biglang mag isyu ng limitasyon ang japan sa pagtanggap ng ofw sa kanila. isa lang yun sa pagpaparamdam ng us.

ngayun kung tutuluyan natin ung mga kano na rapist. sa tingin nyo san pupulutin ang pinas kung niresbakan tau sa foreign policy ng us. edi up for grabs ang mga isla natin sa mga kalaban ntin.

kya let's follow the thai path para wala nang usapang ganyan sa senado.

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our greatest enemy is politics, dirty politics.

dirty persian politics were used by gengis khan to defeat them.

dirty politics were used by the medieval japs as a weapon to temporarily stop Yi Soong Shin.

dirty politics will cause the end of us.

nang nanood ako ng jewel in the palace eh puro pulitika na nkkita ko. buti na lang mganda si
geum yung :armyroleyes: at si yon sang :armyLol: at katakamtakam ung mga pagkain kya khit papaano npatwad ko ung jewel.
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kya let's follow the thai path para wala nang usapang ganyan sa senado

:wow: So kung may dayuhan na nagsabi sa iyo "TUWAD ! OK KA LANG? NA KOPAS KA SABAY SABI THANK YOU?
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You want the Philippines to get better? Stop OUR dirty politics. Don't trash talk our allies. We won't need foreign assistance if only our government ran clean.
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I don't think even the US can entrust us with some of the equipment that they're through with.

They gave us a P25 Million GSM interceptor so that we can monitor Al Qaeda and NPA activities through their cellphone conversations.

And the next day we hear that the ISAFP allegedly used it to spy on people from the Opposition camps during the past elections?

Plus it is believed that the President herself allegedly used it in rigging the previous elections by using it to record a converstion she allegedly had with one of her accomplices to make sure he didn't double cross her.

If the US can't trust us that we use such a device for such purposes, what more a squadron of F16s or funds to buy new MRFs or Attack helos with?

Sheesh, we won't go anywhere with the kind of partisan politics we have. And to think we've had more than 1 EDSA revolts to try to fix this problem.
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:agree:

The problem is not the money, not the lack of specialized manpower, but the problem is the attitude of the people and the politicians.
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PAF after 59 years: Mostly air, little force
By Nikko Dizon
Inquirer
Last updated 05:49am (Mla time) 07/06/2006


FIFTY-NINE YEARS OLD and it’s all but grounded.

As it celebrated its 59th anniversary yesterday, the Philippine Air Force (PAF) struggled to be upbeat despite the fact that its overall capability had waned through the years.

“The recent AFP (Armed Forces of the Philippines) shift from external to internal defense that saw the abolition or downgrading of PAF offices and units and the phasing out of assets either too old or too expensive to maintain should have posed as a setback,” the PAF said in its newsletter’s anniversary issue.

“Instead,” it said, “the [PAF] reorganized, transformed, and soared to new heights of success -- surpassing recorded feats, undertaking new and diverse endeavors, but unified by a common drive of doing more with less.”

The irony of being a military branch that has had to adjust to change on the basis of lack of funds or varying government priorities is not lost on PAF pilots, both young and old.

They spoke with the Inquirer on condition of anonymity, for obvious reasons.


Once potent force

“We used to be a potent force,” a well-placed PAF official said yesterday.

“We moved about without anyone challenging us. We were the best in Asia, and when the jet age was ushered in, we were ahead of the other Asian countries,” he said.

The official recalled that years ago, veteran PAF pilots bragged about how they would fly low over Sabah, raising alarm among the Malaysians.

But now, the Malaysian Air Force is stronger and far better equipped than the PAF.

“We can no longer do what we could do before. That is quite obvious,” he said.

In a separate interview, a junior officer said he saw a bleak future for the PAF unless the government showed strong political will to upgrade the force’s efficiency in terms of aircraft and equipment.

“Some young pilots are afraid to fly PAF aircraft because these may not be safe. We have a skilled crew, but it’s not comforting to hear that the planes get by with the barest maintenance,” he said.

The two men also said the Philippines practically had no air defense, especially after the F-5s -- the PAF’s “Freedom Fighters” and symbol of air defense -- were decommissioned last year because repair work was getting too costly.

“In any country, the primary role of the Air Force is to perform air defense,” the ranking official said. “Although we have a radar system, we don’t have the essential fighter aircraft.”

In lieu of the supersonic fighter jets, the PAF is using S-211s and OV-10s to patrol the country’s borders. “But these aircraft are slow-moving. In terms of air superiority, talo tayo (we’re losers),” he said.

According to the official, it may take another seven years before new fighter jets are purchased under the Philippine Defense Reform program.

With the lack of fighter jets, the running joke among young pilots at flying school is that the PAF may eventually decide to outfit the light plane Cessna, an Air Force trainer aircraft, with rockets, the junior officer said.

“The Cessna’s call sign is T-41D, where the D stands for Delta. [It might become] T-41D, as in Destroyer,” he said, chuckling.


Plaudits

But in his speech at the anniversary ceremony, Lieutenant General Jose Reyes, the PAF commanding general, said the force still “looks to gain a wing that would take it beyond the horizon and the dreams of every fighter pilot with it.”

“After all, the [PAF] is still about credible deterrence, as much as it is, for the time being, about internal support,” Reyes said.

In the meantime, the PAF has increased its operational readiness rate to “an average all-time high of 75 percent.”

Reyes credited the Air Logistics Command and the 410th Maintenance Wing under Major General Fernando Manalo and Brigadier General Alex Flores for providing the PAF “the capacity to return an increasing number of aircraft to frontlines in shorter periods of time.”

Reyes also hailed the PAF’s contributions to internal security operations and national development missions.

He said the PAF had flown more than 1,700 national development sorties -- mostly rainmaking flights, civic action activities and other relief and rehabilitation missions.

He also said that up until the first quarter of the year, the PAF completed close to 2,000 search, rescue and relief missions, which included medical evacuation and mercy flights.

The keynote speaker, Defense Secretary Avelino Cruz, said an MG-520 upgrade as well as the acquisition of 27 additional Huey helicopters, night flying systems for the air crews, and air surveillance and communications equipment had been programmed for this year.


Source of pride

That the PAF is the “most constitutionally grounded” military branch during the Arroyo administration’s trying times is also something to be proud of, Reyes said.

“We have strengthened our troop information and dissemination networks to help our soldiers stay within the chain of command, and support the Constitution,” he said.
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