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No Air, No Force: A Wake-up Call; the debate in the Senate
Topic Started: Feb 7 2006, 02:28 AM (7,457 Views)
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F14s?

I'm sure the US is willing to part with some of their F14As at a "friendship" price.

However, can we afford to maintain them the way the USN did?

Better question, can we afford to buy fuel to keep a squadron of those flying regularly for a fiscal year?
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Kung F14 lang din ay wag na lang kasi sa gas pa lang at maintenance mamumulubi na tayo.

We should instead get the Gripen. May BVR capability naman ito.

Mas mura at bagu pa.
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Going back to the speech deliberation of the Senators i think some of them has no interest in acquiring new equipments for our PAF and they only show their interest in their individual position.

About Senator Gordons speech also he wanted to lead the senate in acquiring the PAF a new equipment. It means that the good senator from angeles city has a good insight inside the PAF in Clark.

What made senator gordon came up a good speech also is that certain accident that took place before the retirement of the F-5. I think its all about the search and rescue effort of the PAF from a fishing boat that was lost for a week in South China Sea. It was purely an aerial search when the Philippine Airforce has no capability for long distance search for the boat. Senator Gordon headed the request to the US goverment to help the PAF in the search of the boat. And by that time P-3 Orion was dispatch from Clark (swerte kasi balikatan noong time na yun).After 2 days of aerial search the boat was found in Kalayaan and towed back to manila by the PN and PCG.
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Feb 9 2006, 09:00 PM
Going back to the speech deliberation of the Senators i think some of them has no interest in acquiring new equipments for our PAF and they only show their interest in their individual position.

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Sen. Osmena despite of not having the needed knowledge on the matter dared to state his speech, a narrowmindedly-drafted piece of crap, to be exact. Maybe, he just wanted to be seen on TV for his popularity gain.

Senator Biazon is not fit to lead the drive to modernize the military. He doesnt have the right mindset and the skills or wit to defend the proposal.

He can nonetheless, work with the group and give his views based on his experience as the former CSAFP and a Marine soldier.

The best pick, as of now and based on their obvious efforts, are Sen. Gordon and Pimentel.

One doesnt need to have an expert knowledge on the matter in order to succeed in rallying the proposal.
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What is needed is the genuine desire to REALLY HELP by first understanding the matter more solidly and then use your inherent and acquired expertise to win it.

Sen. Gordon had done the first requirement. He has the expertise and the charisma to take the proposal to the proper forum for deliberation.

Nonetheless, why the good senator's momentum was cut short is because his understanding is not yet enough to break the inhibiting concerns on "what should be given priority first" and the RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ECONOMY, BASIC SERVICES AND NATIONAL DEFENSE.

May the good Senator, i mean Senators, considering Sen. Pimentel also, finally realize this vital aspect of winning it.

BTW, i believe Sen. Lacson, being the former PNP Chief, is a good asset too. Another is Joe De Venecia. He knows how to play this game well.
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QUOTE (Flipzi @ Posted on Feb 9 2006, 09:48 PM)
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BTW, i believe Sen. Lacson, being the former PNP Chief, is a good asset too. Another is Joe De Venecia. He knows how to play this game well.


I'd rather go for the Pangasinan Express when the Cha-Cha was done. It easy for the Philippine Congress to asses the Military Modernization if Unicamiral System is imposed. They easily check the Status of the modernization if JDV will be the Prime Minister or who ever will seat as the PM of our country.

As what ive said in the other thread that the abolishment of the Senate also may help the Goverment in its budgetary constraint to be lessen. Maybe the surplus funds might go to the AFP modernization at basic services.
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Ehem, JDV is a good lawmaker and lobbyist .... BUT IS NOT FIT TO TAKE THE PRESIDENCY.

Being a good lawmaker doesnt mean you can be a good leader.

Leadership entails a good balance of many things. One of which is the genuine desire to really serve the people. Another is the political make up that he has chosen to join.

I would like to have him stay in Congress, where his experience and wit fit well.

But the presidency? Others fit better than JDV.
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Feb 7 2006, 01:35 PM
Sen. Biazon is now CONFUSED about the relationship between the national defense and the delivery of basic services. Could it be because of his age or that he just failed to balance his understanding on both issues?

Tsk tsk tsk. Kawawa naman si Sen. Biazon. I believe he needs to go over our posts here para magkaruon sya ng MATINUNG pananaw sa relasyun ng national defense at basic services.

Sen. Pimentel is an excellent statesman indeed. Despite his lack of knowledge on the matter, his inherent attribute as a good lawmaker makes him heed the need to understand the issue more and do what he can do to give his part.

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Feb 9 2006, 09:48 PM
Senator Biazon is not fit to lead the drive to modernize the military. He doesnt have the right mindset and the skills or wit to defend the proposal.

mr. flipz, I have to confess that I have always found the sagacity of your analysis and the depth of your eloquence overshadowed by your belief in both, nevertheless I must admit that your latest pronouncements beggar the limits of my discernment (not to mention my comprehension); please, please explain naman what you're saying, mr. flipz :dontgetit:


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I didn't realize my posts had been that confusing.

My apologies, Sir, for not being able to put it clearly or precisely.

The reason why I am losing faith on Sen. Biazon is that despite having the needed knowledge on the matter, Sen. Osmena's interpalation, though the latter do not know what he was talking about, somewhat overwhelmed Sen. Biazon's statement.

This is disgusting. The one who knows nothing gave the deciding stance on the matter?

Sen. Gordon already was already making a headway. While Sen. Pimentel, despite being critical at the beggining gave us something that we should consider a lot, which is to check into the abuses in the utilization of these vital assets.

The only problem with Sen. Pimentel is that he supported Sen. Osmena's view that only small planes are needed. This manifested his lack of understanding on the whole issue.

Nonetheless, he can still work that out by asking the people who know better.
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For his part, Senator Gordon stated that he would like the military to have faster patrol crafts that can be used in instances when other forces intrude into Philippine airspace or territorial waters.

Senator Pimentel noted, however, that it is important to prioritize such needs even as he expressed support for Senator Osmeña’s position that scoundrels who make money out of the people should be weeded out of the armed forces.

Sen. Pimentel is just balancing both sides of concern here. This is necessary in refining the final standpoint here. His action was that of a good lawmaker.

With. Sen. Osmena, he failed to consider what Sen. Pimentel has realized.
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Senator Osmeña’s position that scoundrels who make money out of the people should be weeded out of the armed forces.

This is very disgusting. Just because of this concern he emphasized that we should rather stop any plan to enhance the military's capability. This is as if he was saying that "we should stop giving what the nation deserves because some guys in the military are corrupt."

Come to think o fit, is Sen. Osmena that clean? Are they not as dirty?

Now, going back to Sen. Biazon, i believe the group of lobbyists must include him. His knowledge will benefit the whole group a lot. Nonetheless, the group needs a better speaker to lead the weighing up of positions.
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uhm, excuse me, mr. flipz, but why didn’t you answer the question? you were being asked to explain your earlier statements:

flipzi
Feb 7 2006, 01:35 PM
Sen. Biazon is now CONFUSED about the relationship between the national defense and the delivery of basic services. Could it be because of his age or that he just failed to balance his understanding on both issues?

Tsk tsk tsk. Kawawa naman si Sen. Biazon. I believe he needs to go over our posts here para magkaruon sya ng MATINUNG pananaw sa relasyun ng national defense at basic services.

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Feb 9 2006, 09:48 PM
Senator Biazon is not fit to lead the drive to modernize the military. He doesnt have the right mindset and the skills or wit to defend the proposal.

correct me if I’m wrong, but I can’t seem to find any mention in your reply of General Biazon’s failure to “balance his understanding” and his lack of “MATINUNG pananaw” regarding the “relationship between the national defense and the delivery of basic services”, or of his being "CONFUSED", or of his “age”, or his being “kawawa”, or of his lack of “right mindset”, “skills”, or “wit”.

instead, all of a sudden you’re saying General Biazon’s failing consists merely of his allowing his statements to be “overwhelmed” by Osmeña’s, whom you described as delivering the “deciding stance” – err, pardon my asking, mr. flipz, but are you aware that each senator is allowed only one opportunity to interpolate a fellow senator delivering a privilege speech, and that, upon completing his questions, the interpolator is obliged to give the floor to another colleague afterwards? - i.e. “INTERPELLATION OF SENATOR BIAZON”, “INTERPELLATION OF SENATOR OSMEÑA“, “INTERPELLATION OF SENATOR PIMENTEL”, respectively - as opposed to “interpellation” by all three Senators at the same time? you did notice that nobody interjected during Senator Gordon’s one-on-one debates with each of his fellow senators, right? - pardon me again for asking, mr. flipz, but did you expect General Biazon to stand up and debate his fellow interpolator, Osmeña?

all this time, I thought you were somehow commenting on the merits of General Biazon’s arguments when you pooh-poohed the General’s age, his being kawawa, his lack of wit, etc. – so, uhm, mr. flipz, do you mean to say that the “deciding stance” is decided not by the Senators’ arguments, but by the order in which they stand up to ask questions?

please, please clarify your comments, mr. flipz, by all means lift them from the level of pathetically ignorant ad hominems (at) which they remain.

as for Pimentel:

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Feb 10 2006, 02:33 PM
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For his part, Senator Gordon stated that he would like the military to have faster patrol crafts that can be used in instances when other forces intrude into Philippine airspace or territorial waters.

Senator Pimentel noted, however, that it is important to prioritize such needs even as he expressed support for Senator Osmeña’s position that scoundrels who make money out of the people should be weeded out of the armed forces.

Sen. Pimentel is just balancing both sides of concern here. This is necessary in refining the final standpoint here. His action was that of a good lawmaker.

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Feb 7 2006, 02:41 AM
INTERPELLATION OF SENATOR BIAZON

On a related matter, Senator Biazon stated that there is also a need to enhance the country's capability to protect its exclusive economic zone against poaching and smuggling. He revealed that he had received a raw information that Czechoslovakian-made SKS rifles are being smuggled into the country through Northern Luzon. He posited that this activity could be linked to the report of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that a group of civilians are ready to defend President Arroyo in case the military stages a coup d'etat. He asserted that the surveillance aircraft would be useless if there are no naval crafts like fast patrol boats to go after poachers and smugglers.

Senator Biazon revealed that he has been bird-dogging the military leadership on its modernization program to no avail. He believed that it was time that the Senate conducted a hearing on the matter in view of the fact that scarce government resources should be adjusted to address the full implementation of the AFP Modernization Program.

uhm, pardon me again, mr. flipz, but did you notice that “prioritizing” the acquisition of fast patrol boats was General Biazon’s idea, not Pimentel’s, and that this idea was contrary to Senator Gordon’s initial proposal, that of emphasizing surveillance aircraft? - another:

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Feb 7 2006, 02:28 AM
About six months ago, I took one of the two because there was only one C-130 operating to get Red Cross supplies to Sulu.

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Feb 7 2006, 02:37 AM
If we will recall, Director Punongbayan died from the crash of a helicopter that I borrowed from the Philippine Air Force.

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Feb 7 2006, 03:00 AM
Senator Pimentel observed that a lot of public officials borrow air force planes.

I think the vernacular is more descriptive: “pa-traydor” - a cheap shot, isn’t it obvious?

yes, yes, some people just love to go " :patrioticpinoy: " and saying " :agree: " to themselves and all but then that’s exactly what motherhood statements are for - what’s the point of saying something which you know everyone else already agrees with? well, can you say “personal (or political) agenda?” so aside from cheap pa-pogi at Senator Gordon’s and the PAF’s expense, what else did the “statesman” Pimentel contribute to the cause of modernizing the PAF?

can you please answer those questions, mr. flipz?


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While you folks are talking about the Senators who shall champion AFP modenrization, I'm just curious. Has the Senate finished deliberations on the DND/AFP budget yet?

I'm really worried since many department heads including mid-level officials refuse to report to the Senate citing EO464 especially after the PCGG was given a P1 annual budget after Senators gave the chair a dressing down over secret deals it had allegedly been making.

What's worse, the Senate would raise the issue of the alleged utilization of the personnel, units and other resources of the AFP in Partisan Political Activities.

Looks like "Reenacted Budget" would be the keyword again for FY2006.
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