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| No Air, No Force: A Wake-up Call; the debate in the Senate | |
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| rocky serrantes | Feb 7 2006, 11:49 PM Post #31 |
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Dick Gordon for President!!!!!! His privilege speech is the most sensible piece we have heard and read so far, a piece of rare rareified good news. It brings a ray of good hope on the horizon. But big question is: will he push through, will he follow up? will the senate wake up? we hope it does since it presumptively faces abolition and extinction in the next several months if the bad tradpols from the lower house have their willy nilly perverse way of ramming down the chacha. Grodon delivered the speech to encourate support for the PHP5.0 Billion Capability Upgrade Program. That amount - and even more - is easily available, not only with political will but because of our continuous losses as the good Senator mentioned. It is equivalent to US Dollar 80 to 90 Million, more or less. Start with three AMXs, Five Highly Upgraded A-4 Super Skyhawks, 3 F5S with complete package, 1 PC3 Orion or two lower lesss expensive equivalents and 2 highly upgraded C-130s. Anf one or two missile guided patrol boats. The helos can be upgraded or acquired later as we have 50 presumably. Then increase the expenditures for 2007 for another USDollar 50 Million Maybe. Just asking. Stop the gas and the hot air. Is the math correct? Just for a start guys. |
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| possible | Feb 8 2006, 01:41 AM Post #32 |
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^might this be the P5 billion Senator Gordon is talking about?
"That amount - and even more - is easily available, not only with political will but because of our continuous losses as the good Senator mentioned." - a lot of very informed people actually have a lot of good reasons to agree with you, in fact if the administration wanted it could easily afford to give the AFP 100 billion pesos annually for modernization alone, or even twice or three times that amount - the problem, actually, boils down entirely to political will, since those "continuous losses" are overwhelmingly self-inflicted:
per the 2006 budget, the Philippines will spend more on interest payments than it plans to spend for Education, Public Works, and National Defense put together. that is robbery plain and simple, but this administration calls it the "honorable" thing to do, if anybody else is looking for a way our leaders can demonstrate "political will", that's it right there. domino effect: solve the debt problem, the rest follows. |
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War. What is it good for?--James Brown What's love got to do with it?--Tina Turner Only the intelligent are brave. | |
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| Tora^2 | Feb 8 2006, 06:34 AM Post #33 |
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If we are committed to paying debts from a long time ago, shouldn't we renegotiate debts that are questionnable in nature like that Nuclear reactor in Bataan? I wonder, the President's intel funds may have been split among the intel agencies like NICA and ISAFP. However, there may be other discretionary funds still buried in the proposed 2006 budget? I'm sure they wreak of liquefied guano. |
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| fieldmouse | Feb 8 2006, 08:48 AM Post #34 |
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i wonder who advised Gordon on the military equipment he mentioned in his speech, its relatively accurate. :thumb: |
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| jammerjamesky | Feb 8 2006, 10:21 AM Post #35 |
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Maybe Dick Gordon's brilliant has something to do in its family roots. Senator Gordon already see the consequences when the US base left our country. Dapat tlaga unahin ang basic sa lahat. Coastal defense installation at mga equipments. |
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| City Hunter | Feb 8 2006, 11:13 AM Post #36 |
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Binabasa ko uli yun transcript at ang layo ng mga nasa isip ni Sen. Osmena. Kelan pa kaya naging eroplano ng PAF yun Airbus ng PAL unless ginagamit na for war emergency(?!). Tapos di ba niya alam na phased out na yun F-14 at Phoenix at ang mga Russians may pantapat na rin sa Phoenix (although di nga lang ganun kaganda ang performance pa rin). At di rin nag-homework as di niya alam yun iba't ibang models at variations ng C-130. Yun kay Sen. Gordon ok na pero may mga kulang pa. Napansin ko kasi bakit hindi binanggit na i-mod to Maritime Patrol yun mga F.27s natin at AEW yun F.28 ni Gluria. At hindi rin isinama yun Dornier na lumipat dito sa Pinas. Gumawa na lang dito ng Do28D Skyservant for STOL light transport duties pampalit sa F.27s na gagawing Maritime Patrol. Ano nga ba yun complete designation ng Aero Commander at ng Dash 8? |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| possible | Feb 8 2006, 11:39 AM Post #37 |
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exactly. did that project ever benefit this country? nothing, nothing but a white elephant. another thing, don't believe that crap about a budget deficit:
the deficit is entirely due to payments on foreign debt, the Philippines can easily afford to spend hundreds of billions on more important things like Education and Defense if the govt. eliminates or at least minimizes the amount of money it forks over to foreign creditors each year, despite tax collection shortfalls.
have to give General Biazon credit too. Senator Gordon is granted his advocacy but his fellow Senators' interpellation or response is equally important, the General asked all the right questions particularly the one about priorities. which Gordon answered quite well, that shows he really put some thought into the problem even though he wasn't able to get all the details right. in contrast, Pimentel replied with a cheap shot at Gordon with that 'govt. officials borrowing PAF aircraft' thing. nothing but pure political bs as usual, napakababaw lang ng problemang yan but Pimentel chooses to disregard the real issue which is the sorry state of the PAF, that is rarely in the spotlight and Gordon was trying to bring attention to. the less said about Osmena the better. you can really separate the posers from the truly observant by their responses. |
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| flipzi | Feb 8 2006, 02:06 PM Post #38 |
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We are missing the point here again. External defense is as important as our COIN or internal security concerns. We lost the Mischief Reef because PEOPLE THINK THAT WE DONT NEED EXTERNAL DEFENSE. Our MDT with the US has its limitations. NEVER ALSO FORGET THAT THE U.S. WILL ONLY ACT ON ISSUES THAT WILL AFFECT THEIR "OWN INTEREST". The MDT does not cover protection of contested areas like the Spratly's. Look how close the Mischief Reef is to Palawan? If you will think on a more analytic level you will see how much we've lost from the Michief Reef takeover. If we had a credible external defense then, this blunder could not have happened. BTW, the reason why we are acquiring MULTI-ROLE FIGHTERS is that these arent just for external defense but also for our COIN concerns... BEING MULTI-ROLE assets. Never forget that our Air Force GREATLY ENHANCES the capability of our ground and naval forces. And also, internal defense is about fixing the problem while external defense is about preventing the problem from ever happening. Kaya wag nating ipalagay na dahil sa nakatengga lang sa base ang MRF ay walang silbi. Dahil bihira lang talaga sila gagana. Dahil yung bihirang kaso na yun ay LUBHA NAMAN MALAKI EPEKTO sa tin. Gaya ng pagkawala ng Mischief Reef. Gumising tayo mga kapatid. Internal defense is about curing the problem while external defense is about prevention. Like the Mishcief Reef. Once, you lose it, it will be next to impossible bringing it back. Even Sabah could have been ours but our shortsightedness on EXTERNAL DEFENSE capability prevented us from winning it. You see now? Other nations are winning lands like what China did in the Spratly's... ..while us, WE ARE CONTINUALLY LOSING A PART OF US. Worse, WE ARENT LEARNING FROM IT. Baka dumating ang araw may maglakas na magpahiwalay ng Mindanao dahil alam nilang mahina tayo? Nakakapanginig na talaga ng laman yan! BTW, kung sa alam natin na okay na ang LRC at Scout Rangers sa COIN ay nagkakamali tayo dyan. Ilang taon na ba ang ASG at MILF at NPA? Almost 40 years na NPA at nuon pang panahon ng Huks ang Scout Rangers. O nasan na tayo ngayun? You see? Mag-isip isip naman tayo mga kapatid. Guerilla warfare ito. SANAY NA SA TAGUAN AT TAKBUHAN ANG KALABAN. PAGOD NA ANG AFP SA KAKAHABOL EH. What we need is another overwhelming edge. That is firepower! Another is mobility and also surveillance and other modern tools in enhancing the military's operations. |
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| possible | Feb 8 2006, 03:25 PM Post #39 |
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I think he meant to imply, since the USN has F-14s and nothing the Chinese have can stand up to F-14s – in his opinion, at least - then the Philippines no longer needs fighter jets since the USN and its F-14s will always be in the neighborhood anyway. “dumb arse” indeed
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| jammerjamesky | Feb 8 2006, 08:31 PM Post #40 |
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If Senator Serge want that USN F-14 C/D variants with phoenix missiles well give him the floor to acquire the said units.Patunayan nya muna na kaya nyang kumuha ng agreement out of the F-14 units from the US government. The Brialliant Senator is dreaming of something when he made the speech deliberation . Sa totoo lang nakakahiya sya . Ang layo sa totoo ng mga dapat nyang sabihin. Sino ba staff ni senator na gumawa ng draft?
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. Ang layo sa totoo ng mga dapat nyang sabihin.
Sino ba staff ni senator na gumawa ng draft?

8:39 AM Jul 11