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| No Air, No Force: A Wake-up Call; the debate in the Senate | |
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| pantherscout78 | Feb 7 2006, 11:05 AM Post #11 |
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Sana bigyan nila ng priority ang AFP.. Coup de' tat is a product of demoralized AFP.. Sen Osmena lacks foresight.. yari sa akin yan sa eleksyon.. di ko boboto yan.. ang tanga kc.. Nagmamarunong di naman marunong..
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| City Hunter | Feb 7 2006, 11:13 AM Post #12 |
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I've updated Sen. Pimentel about that review on the L-159 deal and the possibility of taking into consideration the Korean Golden Eagle. Also, sent a note of support to Sen. Gordon. Have to think of a good letter to Sen. Osmena yet. As for Sen. Biazon, I think I have to do a personal visit since he hasn't replied to any of my mails yet. Mga peeps, why don't we do an e-mail brigade on our officials. Maybe with our collective efforts some sense can be made. And hopefully proper sense at that. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| GKB02 | Feb 7 2006, 11:29 AM Post #13 |
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comrade CH, we can start this barrage by giving us the email address for this officials if you have it, but if you dont were can i(we) get the contact details for this officials? tnx :thumb: |
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| el_commandante | Feb 7 2006, 11:38 AM Post #14 |
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I am not going to vote for Senator Osmena again. ipagdasal ko na sana hindi siya maging presidente ng Pilipinas. dahil kapag nangyari iyan, our air force would be abolished and becomes a mere army air corp
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| City Hunter | Feb 7 2006, 11:39 AM Post #15 |
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http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen13th.htm The above link is the Senate site for the present senators. Click each pic and they have a short summary and e-mail addresses. I'm hoping I could work on the angle of using Jude Estrada who is said to be a PAF official to get Sen. Jinggoy and Sen. Loi Estrada to help out on the PAF modernization idea. Still have to find a way to link with Jude though. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| GKB02 | Feb 7 2006, 11:41 AM Post #16 |
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:thumb: thanks comrade CH... first salvo is up..
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| Tora^2 | Feb 7 2006, 11:48 AM Post #17 |
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While F14s are being phased out by the USN, they would have stilled played a vital air defense role since they are best used not against bombers like the TU22M Backfire or the Tu16 Badger which the PLA still has a lot of. The Tomcat/Phoenix duo is best utilized against low-flying cruise missiles that could be carrying nucelar warheads or can imperil vessels of the Philippine Fleet. Going back to the tpic, it would appear that high ranking officials would rather pursue smaller wars against lightly-armed insurgents like the NPA and terrorist groups like Abu Sayyyaf. Compared to building an external defense-centered AFP, they could percieve that fighting insurgencies are much cheaper to fight. In fighting the NPA and JI, all you need are guys with rifles. The only things they would need would be decent rifles, reliable radios and helos to provide CAS and to ship them to and from the front lines. To train fighter pilots and to purchase and maintain 1st-line fighter jets and AIP attack subs, they think would cost much more. You can also see it from a historical standpoint. Historians pointed out that the AFP's real ancestors aren't the Katipunan and the Army of the 1st Philippine Republic as the AFP claims. They are traced to the Philippine Scouts and the Philippine Constabulary, units designed to fight insurrections and uprsings while the Philippine Department of the US Army and the US Asiatic Fleet busied themselves keeping other powers out of their territory. Of course, what kept the AFP army-centred was the fact that another forebear of the AFP, the Commonwealth-era Philippine Army was built by a former US Army Chief of Staff, Douglas MacArthur, who found building navies and airforces costly himself. Of course post war, the JUSMAG wanted the AFP merely to keep the Huk's/NPA's/MNLF's asses out of Subic and Clark and to prevent the RP from becoming another Cuba or Iran. Besides the 3rd Airforce in Clark and the 7th Fleet in Subic, everyone even Manila thought, were enough to keep the Soviets and ChiComs out of the region. Even with the Cold War over and the bases gone, the US, some sectors claim, wants to keep maintain its influence in the region with a Nuclear South Asia, a potentially aggressive North Korea and the Chinese Juggernaut. To do so, it's bet would be to keep a country with strong US ties militarily weak, or so they claim, so that it gives the US a foot in the door to maintain a military presence to prop up that nation. Of course, other sectors believe that the reson the government would rather keep the AFP a COIN force is that it is easy to profit from a COIN war than to remain in a posture of external defense. Procuring articles like guided missiles or destroyers require airtight procedures and negotiations involving governments and huge corporations like Lockheed Martin and EADS. They offer no room for shady deals and kickbacks and are open to greater scrutiny here and abroad. COIN campaigns require procurements from much smaller contractors for articles like rifles, ammo and even BDAs and boots. Since it is a "wartime" situation, there are a lot of ad hoc deals taking place to meet immediate needs and practices like "conversion" are common place. This environment offers negligible transparency and a huge leeway for corruption at the behest of the guys doing the fighting. It would also be easy for many officers to keep their jobs and move up in a time of war rather than in a small "peacetime" army. |
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| City Hunter | Feb 7 2006, 12:00 PM Post #18 |
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I'm trying to find a better link to the Defense Dept., House of Rep. committee handling this issue and even a good access to GMA (the best I could find is a said kiddie e-mail to her and text messaging). Besides Jinggoy and Loi Estrada, maybe we could work on Sen. Santiago who has a brother who is a former PAF official and Sen. Biazon who still has support for the AFP boys. Maybe even the environmental and educational advocates if we can factor better into the equation the dual use of these military equipment. I'm not inclined to ask Enrile for support as his promises are more of a disappointment than a joy. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| GKB02 | Feb 7 2006, 12:02 PM Post #19 |
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dammit one of my friend has a contact # of FG mig arroyo, but that guy knows no nothing
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| City Hunter | Feb 7 2006, 12:04 PM Post #20 |
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Sir Tora^2, there are reports that the Malaysians may subscribe to that new anti-cruise missile missile that can be configured for upgraded MiG-29s. I'm hoping with access to the Novi Avion and MiG-29 tech we can integrate East Bloc systems and weapons too since these might be equal in performance yet much cheaper. Still, even if our officials want to focus on the "war against terror" for the meantime it would still be a sufficient leverage to get the Cali, Defiant and Hummingbird back to production (well, licensed production for the Hummingbird). |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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