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Phil Air Force Academy; house bill 4605 pushed by solon
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 12 2005, 12:41 PM (7,034 Views)
jvelarde	Jan 30 2013, 02:09 PM Post #31
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Regulars Member #550 Joined: September 20, 2005	PAF Academy? NOOOO! As if putting a sign saying PAF Academy in front of Fernando AB will magically produce jet-qualified pilots. It would be better if the government were to buy 12 LIFT aircraft.



wily_pest	Jan 30 2013, 03:55 PM Post #32
Member Posts: 1,211 Group: Regulars Member #5,988 Joined: August 7, 2010	jve, don't u think that PAF training is a different specialty than the naval or army? and if the PAF academy is closer to the air bases rather than way up in the highlands of Bagiuo, wouldn't it be convenient?
	Management of many is the same as management of few. It is a matter of organization. Sun Tzu


jvelarde	Jan 31 2013, 03:04 PM Post #33
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Regulars Member #550 Joined: September 20, 2005	wily_pest, The last thing our country needs is another government bureaucracy! What good will a PAF Academy do? Produce more pilots with no planes to fly? The PAF already has so many pilots but not enough aircraft. It costs the country at least P 2 million for each & every graduate the PMA produces during the four years the cadet is in Baguio. Is it wise to spend all that money so that the graduates of a PAF Academy will sit on their butts the whole day once they are commissioned?



wily_pest	Jan 31 2013, 08:10 PM Post #34
Member Posts: 1,211 Group: Regulars Member #5,988 Joined: August 7, 2010	jve, an academy does not have to have scores or hundreds of graduate annually. i remember when i graduated college, we only had 13 graduates in my major. this paf academy can pick a small group (10-30) from different colleges after their 2nd year, and have them major at the academy. and i recall the paf did not call it an academy. they may even be just an officers' training school for those who have had college degrees. Edited by wily_pest, Jan 31 2013, 08:12 PM.
	Management of many is the same as management of few. It is a matter of organization. Sun Tzu


jvelarde	Feb 1 2013, 03:39 PM Post #35
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Regulars Member #550 Joined: September 20, 2005	Wily_pest, Quote: an academy does not have to have scores or hundreds of graduate annually. i remember when i graduated college, we only had 13 graduates in my major. Putting up an institution of higher learning like the proposed PAF Academy means that you have to comply with the requirements of CHED and/or DECS. You need to put up a library, a minimum number of faculty, etc., etc. etc. Putting up a PAF Academy just to produce 10 to 30 graduates a year is a huge waste of taxpayers' money. Quote: this paf academy can pick a small group (10-30) from different colleges after their 2nd year, and have them major at the academy. and i recall the paf did not call it an academy. If you plan to award bachelor degrees even to these small group, you still have to comply with the rules set by DECS. See my reply above. BTW, these same small group of 10 to 30 young men and women can also apply for the PMA. Quote: they may even be just an officers' training school for those who have had college degrees. You don't need a PAF Academy if you already have a college degree to join the Air Force. There is already the Air Education and Training Command (AETC) for that. Edited by jvelarde, Feb 1 2013, 03:41 PM.



wily_pest	Feb 1 2013, 03:58 PM Post #36
Member Posts: 1,211 Group: Regulars Member #5,988 Joined: August 7, 2010	if the academy needs accreditation there shouldn't be a problem getting it. if u need to put a library and other facilities why can't the PAF spend even a few million dollars (one time expense). the big expense is the food and daily incidentals for the cadets whether u are on that highlands or on flat-lands. most of the professors at least will be experienced air force officers who can customize their lectures for the uniqueness of these cadets. i see that as an advantage. remember, as the paf become more organized and technologicalized for the 21st century, the training for these cadets become more fixated to certain topics. ps i didn't know there was already an officer's training school. but that can be merged with the paf academy at some point of the training for those who have degrees from other colleges and impressive array of honors. so u see there is no more transitioning necessary from one school to the next. the training becomes SEAMLESS from freshmen to senior and finally to advanced training. Edited by wily_pest, Feb 1 2013, 04:02 PM.
	Management of many is the same as management of few. It is a matter of organization. Sun Tzu


jvelarde	Feb 2 2013, 05:01 PM Post #37
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Regulars Member #550 Joined: September 20, 2005	Quote: if the academy needs accreditation there shouldn't be a problem getting it. if u need to put a library and other facilities why can't the PAF spend even a few million dollars (one time expense). the big expense is the food and daily incidentals for the cadets whether u are on that highlands or on flat-lands We will have to spend a few million dollars to establish the PAF Academy while our Hueys are grounded due to lack of spare parts. Not to mention the recurring costs of feeding, housing, training, etc. etc. the cadets for the PAF whose annual budget excluding salaries is just a little over P 4 billion dollars this year. And this PAF Academy will only produce a dozen or so graduates to staff an Air Force that does not have a single MRF. Quote: experienced air force officers who can customize their lectures for the uniqueness of these cadets.....the training for these cadets become more fixated to certain topics.....the training for those who have degrees from other colleges and impressive array of honors. The AETC is already doing this.



wily_pest	Feb 2 2013, 08:18 PM Post #38
Member Posts: 1,211 Group: Regulars Member #5,988 Joined: August 7, 2010	jve, stop hitting ur head against a brick wall buddy. ur brain is being affected. let's not split hairs here (pun unintended between head banging and hair splitting). we know that there are many things missing, the afp can use. but plans have to be made for a future milt. that will be adequately equipped and schooled in the arts and science of the 21st century warfare. graduating a small professional group for hi-tech platforms and weapons is well worth it when u consider how important their jobs will be for the security of the country. not to mention, this same academy can house various trainees of all skills in the air force and thus become a training center. please picture an air force that will be so sophisticated, it can be the most feared air force in asia (eat your heart out israel, singapore). this is an organized initiative for the future generation of a modern PAF. and please stop counting pennies! Edited by wily_pest, Feb 2 2013, 08:19 PM.
	Management of many is the same as management of few. It is a matter of organization. Sun Tzu


Parastriker	Feb 2 2013, 09:17 PM Post #39
Member Posts: 1,496 Group: Regulars Member #7,454 Joined: March 27, 2012	wily_pest Feb 2 2013, 08:18 PM jve, stop hitting ur head against a brick wall buddy. ur brain is being affected. let's not split hairs here (pun unintended between head banging and hair splitting). we know that there are many things missing, the afp can use. but plans have to be made for a future milt. that will be adequately equipped and schooled in the arts and science of the 21st century warfare. graduating a small professional group for hi-tech platforms and weapons is well worth it when u consider how important their jobs will be for the security of the country. not to mention, this same academy can house various trainees of all skills in the air force and thus become a training center. please picture an air force that will be so sophisticated, it can be the most feared air force in asia (eat your heart out israel, singapore). this is an organized initiative for the future generation of a modern PAF. and please stop counting pennies! Yes, I myself do think as well that we will need a dedicated Air Force Academy in the future, but as of now, I am assured that with our top-notch aeronautic schools plus AETC, we could handle the demand for our pilot's capabilities. Also, frankly speaking, war itself is the best academy, university or learning place to learn about war itself. Although it has the most brutal and Darwinian of teachers. Remember the ethos of priority; immediate requirements first (more aircraft) before long-term ones (more pilots). As a last note, I do remember that most veteran Filipino pilots came from the PAF. Should they be required, I do hope that they are there to help the nation's requirements.
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wily_pest	Feb 3 2013, 12:36 PM Post #40
Member Posts: 1,211 Group: Regulars Member #5,988 Joined: August 7, 2010	para, we have different time lines but untimately it's the govt's call.
	Management of many is the same as management of few. It is a matter of organization. Sun Tzu


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