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PAF F-5 Fleet; Status / Retirement
Topic Started: Jul 13 2004, 11:47 AM (12,200 Views)
israeli
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City Hunter: hmmmmmmm... the answer to your question about the fate of the proceeds of the sale of military-owned lands is simple: the funds have already been purged by some b@stards in the government, the military and the civilian sectors. we will never recover them for these same b@stards are the ones running this country. :headbang:

again, a :salute: to the F-5A/B Freedom Fighters of the Philippine Air Force.
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About the funds? Ask those stupid Generals in the Court right now.
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I disagree yet agree. I may not be a lawyer (thank God, I'm saved from going to hell) but I read and try to learn much about the inner workings of the law. From what little knowledge I have about such things we can recover the misused funds. It was not rightfully spent on what should've been spent on. That is already a gross violation. And we also have laws that enable us to freeze and seize for government benefit assets of criminals. Not yet as good as those of the Americans but where getting there. It is just the implementation of these laws that need to be realized. Look at the NAIA 3. It is indeed a mess but because it was an unfair deal we are hoping to clear things out (although that looks like an impossibility at this moment). WE CAN RECOVER THESE LOST FUNDS IF WE ONLY HAVE OFFICIAL WHO ARE STEADFAST IN THEIR DUTIES AND NOT HEARTLESS ONES. Unfortunately, I admit that is a tall order to wish for.
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Oct 3 2005, 10:55 AM
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Oct 1 2005, 10:53 AM
I've just read the Inquirer's take on this story. It said that the reason why the DND decided to divert P100 Mil for maintaining rhose F5s to buy a more Vietnam War-Vintage Hueys is that they see no external conventional threat to our National Security. Therefore priority is given to fighting the NPA, MILF, Abu Sayyaf and JI.

i agree with what the airforce did..... i may not like it, and i'm pretty sure they themselves don't like it, but it makes more sense....

instead of using the money to maintain 3-5 supersonic fighters to "intercept" a "possible" military invasion from another country (a task that it is incapable of doing anyway sinced we don't have search radars and working missiles).....

use the money instead to buy more helicopters that will be used against existing enemies that are actually killing our soldiers as we speak......

THIS DECISION WILL SAVE MORE LIVES

that's why i support it...... its unpopular, but the right thing to do.....

I dont exactly agree with this one but as we see the good side of this, we will realize that it is a better option to take at this time, right when all we got AT THIS TIME is a bunch of idiots running Congress and those who make the decisions for our national defense.

City Hunter
Oct 3 2005, 01:59 PM
And to not have fighter jets to save funds for improved counter-insurgency operations is a bit silly. We prepare ourselves that foreign aggressors be deterred from ever thinking of taking us on. When do we plan to prepare if such an event occurs? When the invaders are already above us? It just clearly shows that the current administration and the AFP heads are not concerned with serving out their defined roles.


Not concerned with serving out their defined roles?

Well, :exactly:.

That's the worse compromise!

The point here is that .... WE HAVE THE MONEY.

It's just that idiots are running Congress and the seats of power! :headbang:

Look at our budget? It's not at a trillion level.

At 8 billion pesos (that's a small fraction of the budget), you can get our first squadron of MRFs.

Spread the funding to 5 years payment scheme, that will only be 1.6 billion A YEAR :headbang:

Anak ng ... ewan ko kung BOBO lang talaga mga lawmakers natin or mga PAGNANAKAW LANG TALAGA HABOL NILA SA PONDO.

Diba? Check mo pork barrel nila? Anu mas mahalaga ba? Basketball courts at pa-fiesta sa bawat baranggay or national defense? :bs: :headbang:
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remember when i said that the f-5s may not have the updates to carry upgraded sidewinders? there may be hope yet. if the info i got is correct, some of those OV-10s that the paf has may still have the wiring to carry an updated sidewinder (maybe a -9P or a -9L). these are almost "all aspect" missiles. they can acquire and be fired head on, or nose to nose, unlike the -9B where it has to be from the rear (engine heat source). maybe a good interim solution, missile cheaper than plane...(then again, the us is replacing all of its sidewinders with the -9x, might be a good time to look into this. tired of watching them old models being used to shoot down flares during missilex)
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Do that to our upgraded OV10s?

Not a bad idea. :agree:

But it is also very possible for the AS211. Is it not?

I believe they would choose the AS211 because it's faster than the OV10.
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i thin k we shoul buy new jets for our air defense maaybe at least f5 tiger 3s.
even if a few sabers or Mig 15 attacks our country now we will be in big trouble
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We now see the real battle on equiping our airforce with MRF's. Our country is zero in terms of a MRF's right now to feel up the vacum in the role of the retired F-5's was to be AS.211 which we have right now. I read on the Philstar column that we have 6 which is serviceable but i want to emphasize here that only 5 units of this Sub sonic jets are fylable. And 5 out 10 remaining F-5 are flyable.

The diverted funds should go to the AS.211 repairs and upgrade.The AS.211 is been the sole jet to take over the F-5 former role. Its necessary to give those funding right now.to further enhance their operational capability and we must pursue the project of equiping the AFP.Why are affraid of the military build up? if thats the only way we can see stability in terms of national security.

The real issue also in the decommissiong of F-5's was the transfer of knowledge from one generation to the other. The absence of the Fighter will came out a huge back track to the transfer of knowledge.You cannot just operate an UH-1H,OV-10 also but we need AS.211 and supposed to be MRF's.
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Mga peeps. I heard over the radio yesterday that they plan to bring back the F5s when the need arises. Unfortunately, I only heard the headline part and didn't get to hear the rest of the news. Any of you lucky enough to have heard the entire bit?

I sure wish that what they're doing is just a maskirovka thing like that bit about our "alleged" Kfirs.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

Gen. Eric K. Shinseki
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well :salute: :patrioticpinoy: for the F5 AB


well even the PT6 will be enough to attack

at least PH shoould have some SAMS

PH is now 100% clear to get attack
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