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| PAF F-5 Fleet; Status / Retirement | |
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| City Hunter | Oct 2 2005, 03:50 PM Post #71 |
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Northrop Receives $20M to Support F-5 Aircraft Family Northrop Grumman Systems Corp. in El Segundo, CA received a $20 million indefinite delivery/ indefinite quantity contract to provide for T-38 and F-5 Weapon Systems Engineering Services in the US. The F-5 "Tiger/ Freedom Fighter" was first fielded in 1962, as an affordable supersonic lightweight fighter that could be exported to US allies around the world. Many militaries fly them to this day. The T-38 Talon is a derivative of the F-5 used in a variety of training and support roles because of its economy of operations (recent estimates show that the F-5's operational costs are 33% of an F/A-18's), ease of maintenance, supersonic performance and safety record. In the USA, F-5 derivatives like the T-38 used primarily by Air Education and Training Command for undergraduate pilot and pilot instructor training, Air Combat Command, Air Mobility Command and NASA. Work on this contract will be complete by February 2012. Solicitation began June 2005 and negotiations were completed September 2005. The Headquarters Ogden Air Logistics Center, Hill Air Force Base, UT issued the contract (FA8202-05-D-0004). http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/0...amily/index.php |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Manokski | Oct 2 2005, 03:56 PM Post #72 |
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Aim9Bs to be exact. |
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| Tora^2 | Oct 2 2005, 05:24 PM Post #73 |
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Does this mean that the replacement of our F5As in the not too near future would be F5Es? They may not be as advanced as even F16As but they're more than enough for the PAF's needs. By the time the US is through with those F5Es for OPFOR squadrons, we could finally afford to buy jets. I prophesy that by 2012 (when we can buy F5 replacements) economy may have some improvement (especially with a new president getting elected in '10 our prospects will improve). Though COIN will still be a priority and the Army Cabal in the DND with their JUSMAG backers won't want the PAF to spend to much on fighters. They'd still want money to buy 5.56 ammo and more helicopters. Even if there will be more used F15s F16s and F18s out on the market, the PAF will still insist on a fighter that costs less to maintain than even an F16. That's why an F5E will still be our best bet for an F5A replacement. |
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| MSantor | Oct 3 2005, 12:47 AM Post #74 |
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Makes me wonder how Northrop can do such F-5 related work in EL SEGUNDO, of all places! That may be right next to Los Angeles AFB, but neither that base (it's for missile testing) nor the Northrop Grumman facility on El Segundo and Sepulveda Blvd has an airfield! Even the Boeing facility there doesn't have an airfield. Where are they gonna land those F5s and T-38s? LAX Airport? Trust me, I used to live in Manhattan Beach, which is right next to El Segundo .
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| jammerjamesky | Oct 3 2005, 07:02 AM Post #75 |
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The revival of Business jet liner in the form of F-5. However, an experiment earlier this year involving a big-nose prototype fighter jet may be the salvation of dreams that flights from New York to Los Angeles will one day only take three hours. In August, a modified F-5 jet broke the sound barrier but produced less of a sonic boom on the ground. Still too loud for commercial use, the plane proved that reshaping the nose of an aircraft can reduce sonic booms. Northrop Grumman, one of the sponsors of the F-5 experiment, suggests that a supersonic business jet may be the first practical use of this new technology. Experiments in "hypersonic" travel, more than five times the speed of sound, have made advances. Australian scientists reported their HyShot scramjet hit Mach 7.6 (about 5,600 mph) aided by a rocket launch. Scramjet stands for Supersonic Combustion Ramjet, a jet engine with no moving parts that burns fuel at supersonic speeds. Aerospace engineers consider this type of craft the future of high-speed aviation, promising to one day send travelers from New York to Tokyo in two hours. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| City Hunter | Oct 3 2005, 08:06 AM Post #76 |
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It is this continued interest in the F-5 as to why I believe it still has potentials untapped which we, Filipinos, can make use of. At the very least as a research and study tool (along with the F-8 Crusader as comparison of a high-performance jet). Our students had long been left to study with obsolete equipment until they get the chance to enter private firms (if lucky enough). How can these pool of talents be of any use in case of war if they know very little of modern (even if a bit dated) systems. This is the very fear that strikes me that we are not ready for war or its effects. What potential for the F-5A/B? Again, this is not to spark another heated debate (until, of course, I finish that draft I'm speaking of). But the F-5 can still be of great value even in combat terms provided upgrades have been done to it. The basic F-5 being a clear weather fighter-bomber limits its use to a Southeast Asian nation like ours. The F-5E is indeed a better improvement but much has to be desired from it to perform under modern combat conditions. Can such conditions be met? I believe it can be. The F-5A was used to create the X-29 forward swept wing aircraft with its systems converted to accept fly-by-wire. The YF-17 Cobra which was the basis for the F/A-18 was also derived from the F-5. And the Iranian jet was also, again, derived from the F-5 - along with techs from other jet - and uses the engines of the MiG 29. But what really interests me is the upgrade done by the Taiwanese for their F-5 wherein they plan to improve it by themselves. It was to be made single-engined and improved systems too. Along with mods done by other F-5 owners it is therefore only a matter of funds and time before we can achieve similar results. But though we can improve the F-5 and even possibly acquire a good number of these in the second-hand market (Taiwan is rumored to be offering to Thailand some of its F-5Es so that means we could possibly buy Thailand's As in return) I still would push for the acquisition of at the very least the Gripen as our 4th generation defensive fighter. The Gripens to be supported by the F-5 squadrons if need be until we could bargain for a really offensive fighter (my thoughts go to the Rafale naval version - why the Rafale? Since Singapore is going for the F-15s too we could hopefully bargain with the French for a limited number of these that they could finally make a sale at last and we get our offensive fighter too). What only worries me at this point is the problem of fuel. Since we cannot harvest our own oil resources we would be limiting the training and use of these aircraft and if no proper storage area is allocated for these it wouldn't survive long too under our weather conditions. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Wushu | Oct 3 2005, 10:55 AM Post #77 |
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i agree with what the airforce did..... i may not like it, and i'm pretty sure they themselves don't like it, but it makes more sense.... instead of using the money to maintain 3-5 supersonic fighters to "intercept" a "possible" military invasion from another country (a task that it is incapable of doing anyway sinced we don't have search radars and working missiles)..... use the money instead to buy more helicopters that will be used against existing enemies that are actually killing our soldiers as we speak...... THIS DECISION WILL SAVE MORE LIVES that's why i support it...... its unpopular, but the right thing to do..... |
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| ctrlaltdel | Oct 3 2005, 12:33 PM Post #78 |
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this feels painful at first but i support the decision of the AFP or the PAF in decommissioning the F5s - the budget for maintaining and operating these old fighters can now be diverted to more important weapon purchases of the AFP in fighting the insurgency. acquiring or refurbisihing more Hueys for example :thumb: |
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| City Hunter | Oct 3 2005, 01:59 PM Post #79 |
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I know this might cause a round of debate but I just want to speak my mind out. I believe that the AFP is not telling the truth and is again being used by selfish politicos. What has happened to the modernization fund especially from the sale of Fort Bonifacio lands? If this was used elsewhere instead of the intended purpose doesn't this mean it was illegally done? Why can't the government and the AFP for that matter initiate a proper recovery of this. And to make things worse, what about those stolen funds taken by the likes of Gen. Garcia? If they can make ordinary folks admit crimes that were not committed why can't they do the same with those rotten people who misused and misappropriated the funds. And to not have fighter jets to save funds for improved counter-insurgency operations is a bit silly. We prepare ourselves that foreign aggressors be deterred from ever thinking of taking us on. When do we plan to prepare if such an event occurs? When the invaders are already above us? It just clearly shows that the current administration and the AFP heads are not concerned with serving out their defined roles. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| Chowking | Oct 3 2005, 06:50 PM Post #80 |
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it was a sad day i also felt bad but hard to get parts then did the right thing but in one sence it was wrong thing to do as PAF didnt bring any ac in the replace of F5 |
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