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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Nov 13 2008, 05:41 AM Post #71 |
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Institution of appropriate criminal action is the only way these training officers would realize how to balance traditional hazing and a criminal act. It is plain and simple. When anybody inflicts injuries to anybody, it constitute a criminal act that customs or traditions cannot offset or justify it - except on prevailing circumstances of self defense and insanity. |
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| iced_man21 | Dec 23 2008, 04:31 PM Post #72 |
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I have not enjoyed being hazed, or maltreated, or whatever politically correct term you would call it. Still, it formed a part of my plebehood, negative or positive, it had an impact, it left a mark on my personality, my psyche, that I will carry for the rest of my career and my life. I also admit that I have committed acts that may be considered hazing by some. I did not enjoy it too. Who would enjoy punishing an underclassman for failing to live up to the standards of the Corps? Yes, I know that no plebe can ever be snappy or perfect, cause otherwise, there would be no point in training him. On the other hand, if you are a yearling buddy, a squadleader or a good neighbor, how can you derive satisfaction from the punishment you mete out to your plebes because they are very lax? Would it not be a reflection of your leadership and mentoring skills, considering that teaching plebes, and molding them is what you were supposed to do in the first place? But, all these taken into consideration, there comes a point when even the most eloquent words or the most gallant of gestures to teach a plebe would not suffice. Do we give-up on the plebe? Do we initiate actions that will lead to his attrition or discharge from the corps, seeing that he does not meet the standards, that he is very lax, or very mato? Or do we use necessary force or coercion to try to convince the plebe that he is not trying hard enough, not good enough? The question then becomes, just how much force, just how much violence is necessary? At what point does corrective punishment, or hazing become, improper or excessive? Some may argue that no amount of violence no matter how small is allowable. They argue that barbaric acts such as hazing have no place in today's society. Yet, I still believe that some sacrifice is necessary to obtain greatness or success. If everything is handed to us in a golden platter, then the worth of any achievement is questionable. The bond between military men in general, and former cadets of PMA and other training institutions is one of shared experiences. How can you relate to people who do not have the same experiences as you? What is there in common? What is the uniting factor? Mankind, our relationships, our societies, our civilizations and our history have been based and influenced by commonality. Hazing, no matter how we try to discourage it, to eradicate it, will always be a part of the military and its institutions. That is a fact we can not deny. Military officers have been referred to as managers of violence. We manage the adequate and effective use of violence in combat to bring about a desired end state. No one can ever know what violence and its effects unless you experience some form of it, unless you see it first hand. It is not some vicarious thing you can share by reading a book or watching a movie. As platoon leaders, officers will not be directing operations from a safe Command Post at the rear of the battle area, you will be at the forefront, the cutting edge. Some food for thought, cliches as they may be.  The harder we sweat in training, the less we bleed in battle... Train like you fight... Just my two cents worth. Thanks. 
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| BARBER 6 | Dec 25 2008, 09:02 AM Post #73 |
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OK...back to the slope!!! 
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| reformation | Nov 5 2010, 04:34 PM Post #74 |
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attention so everyone may know!!!behind that startling uniform are monsters in the making.why?? as a plebe(4th classmen they are called)enters the portals of the academy,3rd classmen being the tiger of the corps instructed by their more upperclassmen inflict several daily pains on the plebes whom they call lowest mammals.in the dark of the night the silent suffering of the plebes beaten by paddles, exposed naked to the chilly winds made more tormenting by being dunk into drumful of chilled water or poured by icy water on their naked bodies, and being rubbed by heated mixture of muriatic acis,hot chili peppers,omega, and etc to inflict much suffering on the lowly plebes.how can they be morally upright when these hidden unwritten traditions within the pnpa portals goes on ?when deaths occur due to the excessive pains the upperclassmen inflicts the report would just be death due to heart failure.the higher officials in the academy knows of all these but hides and wittingly consents to these wrongdoings.ever wonder why among the number of first years who enters the portals of the academy the reason of a multitude resignations? the answers are in front of your eyes,please wake up and stop all these unwritten traditions that upperclassmen inflict on the first years(the unrecognized, the plebes) |
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| jedi knight | Nov 8 2010, 05:12 PM Post #75 |
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"Kung sa hazing nga natatakot ka, sa barilan pa kaya" - Barber6
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| rockstAr | Feb 14 2011, 04:47 PM Post #76 |
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SWAK! hehe. A conversation: TOROGI: "Budz mukhang mahaba yata ang gabi natin ngayon. Nanghaharana na. Hehe" KIKO: "Ok lang yan sir. Mas takot ako sayo.hehe *puff puff* 
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| rockstAr | Feb 14 2011, 05:17 PM Post #77 |
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A lot of people know how to shoot. Scan YouTUBE. But not all know how to fight. For the Profession of Arms, it is with great importance that the will to fight exists. Training develops confidence, but knowledge about pain, suffering and most of all survival brings an ounce of courage in the face of danger. Thus if one is to fight,... one must train hard, train painfuly, suffer much, and survive, because in the face of death, momma's not gonna be there.
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| rockstAr | Feb 14 2011, 05:19 PM Post #78 |
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A lot of people know how to shoot. Scan YouTUBE. But not all know how to fight. For the Profession of Arms, it is with great importance that the will to fight exists. Training develops confidence, but knowledge about pain, suffering and most of all survival brings an ounce of courage in the face of danger. Thus if one is to fight,... one must train hard, train painfuly, suffer much, and survive, because in the face of death, momma's not gonna be there.
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| Hitman | Feb 19 2011, 09:37 PM Post #79 |
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hazing is obsolete. the training for survival will be the training itself in physical fitness, mental survival and knowledge of tactics and strategy and discipline those who cannot put up with the standards of discipline will be washout of the academy but hazing is just plain assault and is now a crime in most world academies. how would you like to send your son to a military academy just to find out he was seriously injured or killed by hazing. There were a few who died in PMA before hazing was banned. One recent I remember was when one of the plebe was hit by a metal pipe in the body several times and in the head killing the plebe. the perpetuator end up in city jail of Baguio and was charged with murder. this is also a violation of human rights. |
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| spearhead | Feb 20 2011, 12:16 AM Post #80 |
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i think that was the one on tv a souple of yrs ago... seen that documentary, 2 or 3 yung nakulong, mga inutil kasi grabe di mo alam ang anak mo ginugulpe na pala sa PMA, mahirap isipin yun kung ikaw ang mga magulang ng biktima.... |
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