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Hazing
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 1 2004, 10:42 AM (12,048 Views)
iced_man21	Sep 21 2005, 04:33 PM Post #21
Trainee Posts: 75 Group: Regulars Member #534 Joined: August 29, 2005	The plebes are billeted in the Mayo Area, but there are also 8 upperclass cadets from each company that are with them, 4 1CL and 4 2CL cadets. In the mess hall, they eat at the same table as the upperclassmen. they are not segregated. The mess hall is about the only place where the 1CL and 3CL cadets can interact with the plebes. The 3CL are off-limits in the 4CL barracks, and the 1CL rarely have time to check on the plebes unless it's official business.



saver111	Oct 4 2005, 09:10 PM Post #22
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,627 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Have partially watched last night GMA 7's I-witness's topic, "War shocked". There was an old retired colonel, a PMA graduate, I think Class '62 a mistah of former AFP Chief Abadia. He was one of the so-called "casualties" of military life. There he narrated what he believed are partially the caused of his illness. One is how it started at the Academy with the physical and psychological pressures he endured in his cadet's life including hazing. His war experience. And his failure in civilian life.
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Wushu	Oct 5 2005, 12:09 PM Post #23
Member Posts: 607 Group: Regulars Member #494 Joined: June 24, 2005	true true.... the myth that hazing makes you a macho man is like saying death row convicts make good soldiers..... it takes a lot of guts to stand up and fight this thing.... and i think that's more "macho" than bullying helpless and defenseless underclassmen.....



Wardog	Nov 10 2005, 08:36 AM Post #24
'waggin my tail :-) Posts: 466 Group: Regulars Member #524 Joined: August 16, 2005	For you anti-hazing wussies, try joining the French Foreign Legion: http://www.purdueexponent.org/index.php/mo...ue/action/Artic
	Anyone who comes to a counter-insurgency thinking it`s about killing terrorists is missing the boat. It`s really about winning the people. You can kill all the terrorists but then you`ve pissed people off and created 100 more. -Col. Bradley Becker


Wardog	Jun 16 2006, 09:56 AM Post #25
'waggin my tail :-) Posts: 466 Group: Regulars Member #524 Joined: August 16, 2005	No hazing inside PMA: commandant Quote: The Philippine Military Academy upholds the law against hazing, its commandant Brig. Gen. Ralph Villanueva said, stressing that misconceptions about maltreatment in the PMA has affected its recruitment program. Villanueva told the DAILY STAR during their four-day stay in Dumaguete and Oriental Negros that hazing is absolutely banned inside the academy. Villanueva was with the PMA silent drill cadets for the 108th Independence Day celebration of Dumaguete. "We develop in them the right character, values, courage, integrity and loyalty, but some of them do not perform as expected while subjected to different environments in their chosen field of endeavor," Villanueva said referring to PMA cadets. Because of this, they do other things, he added alluding to the so-called "adventurists" in the military. :thumb: full story
	Anyone who comes to a counter-insurgency thinking it`s about killing terrorists is missing the boat. It`s really about winning the people. You can kill all the terrorists but then you`ve pissed people off and created 100 more. -Col. Bradley Becker


epigone	Jun 17 2006, 07:33 AM Post #26
Member Posts: 1,410 Group: Regulars Member #631 Joined: December 22, 2005	I suggest that instead of hazing, PMAers vent out all their violent nature, anger and frustrations during taekwondo, karate, arnis, judo, aikido and other martial arts tournaments. Or go to Hongkong and join bloodsport.Doon, no holds bar o kung meron man, mas matindi ang sapak ng roundhouse kaysa sa itapon sa swimming pool early in the morning at freezing temperature o padulasin sa branch ng tree that scraped the skin of a plebe. You can be all you can during tournaments!
	"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.


spartacus	Jun 20 2006, 11:47 PM Post #27
Unregistered	i agree with Flipzi, hazing when done right promotes brotherhood. I suppose that was the ideal concept of "hazing" in military life. Problem is, upperclassmen in the academy or even senior officers in the active service tend to have this "superiority" complex by virtue of seniority. There are times when military hazing were done wantonly without considering the physical safety of recepients. After several deaths caused by hazing, it is now forbidden in the academy but still there are instances where it is being practiced perhaps in a subtle way. sTill, hazing is a part in military life. I think it is already embedded in one's "military mind". Even in the active service, a soldier is welcomed by way of "reception" (punch in the stomach) if he transfers from one unit to another. They dont call it hazing, aren't they? huh!
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Noki01	Jun 21 2006, 04:44 AM Post #28
Trainee Posts: 87 Group: Regulars Member #698 Joined: April 13, 2006	spartacus Jun 20 2006, 11:47 PM i agree with Flipzi, hazing when done right promotes brotherhood. I suppose that was the ideal concept of "hazing" in military life. Problem is, upperclassmen in the academy or even senior officers in the active service tend to have this "superiority" complex by virtue of seniority. There are times when military hazing were done wantonly without considering the physical safety of recepients. After several deaths caused by hazing, it is now forbidden in the academy but still there are instances where it is being practiced perhaps in a subtle way. sTill, hazing is a part in military life. I think it is already embedded in one's "military mind". Even in the active service, a soldier is welcomed by way of "reception" (punch in the stomach) if he transfers from one unit to another. They dont call it hazing, aren't they? huh! they call it corrective measures. bwahahaha hazing is a preparation for field duties. psychologically and physically. It separates the weakling from those who are stable under pressure. the hazing you get inside the academy is rather minute compared to what will happen if ENEMY of the state catches you. If your tolerance for pain and your attitude for pain is low, The tendency is you will disclose sensitive information. And I agree, those power trippers and sadists should be dealt with accordingly. But we still need them to prepare those weaklings. We do have classes for hazing as part of the curriculum. It is called biology (which actually if you dont sleep in class tells you the do's and don't when hitting someone how hard and where to hit. those who slept it out were either discharged or turned back. Noki
	"you dont climb a tree to hunt for fish"


up vanguard class 98	Jul 26 2006, 04:17 PM Post #29
Unregistered	We have a tough training program for plebes (cocc) and up to first class year pa. Hazing became a necessary evil to weed out dead woods and to instill discipline. Hazing became so tough that other fraternity initiation rites became nowhere near plebehood.
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saver111	Jul 26 2006, 06:57 PM Post #30
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,627 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Related threads: http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2094 http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2028
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