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ASEAN vs Australia; military conflict
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 22 2005, 07:10 PM (765 Views)
el_commandante	Aug 22 2005, 07:10 PM Post #1
Member Posts: 471 Group: Regulars Member #278 Joined: January 4, 2005	ASEAN vs Australia I am not advocating war here for the simple fact that it won’t happen. (Maybe in another decade or century) I am raising this topic for an analysis only of the combined military forces of ASEAN versus Australia in the event that ASEAN or Australia resorted to military aggression. The reason for this topic is because in survey by Australian media the Australians were asked which country they are most likely to go to war most Australians believe that it would be Indonesia! Without interference from the US, EU, China and Russia, who do you think will win? What could possibly be the reason for that conflict? Is ASEAN strong enough to engage Australia in a military conflict? Is Australia confident and strong enough to engage the little brown and yellow ASEAN member states and who for centuries considered as the white man’s burden?



dororodo	Aug 22 2005, 07:26 PM Post #2
Member Posts: 101 Group: Regulars Member #170 Joined: October 14, 2004	silly scenario



saver111	Aug 22 2005, 07:28 PM Post #3
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,625 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	My golly good gracious el commandante. http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1966 In addition to that, Australia has been in treaties independently from ASEAN member countries. So in that case, the members would not be solid about such idea. And an ASEAN vs Australia conflict would be unlikely. The best ASEAN member countries would do is a diplomatic solution, http://www.dfat.gov.au/globalissues/terror...ean_interr.html
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Wardog	Aug 22 2005, 07:44 PM Post #4
'waggin my tail :-) Posts: 466 Group: Regulars Member #524 Joined: August 16, 2005	comandante, if you want a lot of responses to stupid scenarios like this, go to World Armed Forces Forum: http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833 the posters there just love this kind of silly war games :thumb:
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saver111	Aug 22 2005, 08:10 PM Post #5
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,625 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Sucks... and our flag is not even there in the Asia-Pacific Forum.
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spiderweb6969	Aug 22 2005, 10:28 PM Post #6
Posts: 2,700 Group: Elite Member #427 Joined: April 11, 2005	el_commandante Aug 22 2005, 07:10 PM ASEAN vs Australia I am not advocating war here for the simple fact that it won’t happen. (Maybe in another decade or century) I am raising this topic for an analysis only of the combined military forces of ASEAN versus Australia in the event that ASEAN or Australia resorted to military aggression. The reason for this topic is because in survey by Australian media the Australians were asked which country they are most likely to go to war most Australians believe that it would be Indonesia! Without interference from the US, EU, China and Russia, who do you think will win? What could possibly be the reason for that conflict? Is ASEAN strong enough to engage Australia in a military conflict? Is Australia confident and strong enough to engage the little brown and yellow ASEAN member states and who for centuries considered as the white man’s burden? to avoid double standard no harm anwering to these question, in fact there are many what if's between Singapore and Malaysia even in this forum although everybody know that war will never happen between this 2 countries so my answer to that is ASEAN ofcourse. up till now there are things that singapore have and the aussies didn't, 10-20 years ago is even worst. so if you combined the whole of ASEAN then you get what i meant. ASEAN consist of Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Phillipines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.



saver111	Aug 23 2005, 02:43 PM Post #7
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,625 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Quote: so if you combined the whole of ASEAN then you get what i meant. That is, IF you get the whole ASEAN solidly. Isn't it you're worried with your neighbors that's why your country is arming itself to the teeth? And you're forgetting something, Australia has other treaties with other nations outside ASEAN. Some of which are suppliers of weapons. Ever heard of arms embargo? So better think twice before going into war. You might not even last a week.
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gary1910	Aug 23 2005, 03:28 PM Post #8
Trainee Posts: 82 Group: Regulars Member #211 Joined: November 17, 2004	To talk abt OZ capability of a war against Asean that you should look at the orbat of the OZ!!!! All OZ is capable is of airstrike and perhaps amphi ops against relatively unprotected small island , that is becos OZ army is abt 24K active + 20K of reserve , so I believe it could raise at best abt 2 Div of mechanised forces. It's airforce is also not that large , mainly defensive, 71 F/A-18 + plus 32 F-111s. It's F-111s are capable to do LR airstrike against some cities in SEA but you also have to consider the air defence capability of some SEA's AF. The strongest arms of Australia is their navy, abt 14 FFG plus 6 subs. So in reality is, the OZ is incapable of land invasion against the stronger nations in SEA.( Indonesia, SG, Thailand etc) Likewise SEA is also incapable to do a land invasion against the OZ becos of their strong navy unless SEA combined all the navies and amphi forces which will be fairly even against OZ navy. Airstrike against some SEA nations is possible by the OZ becos of poor AD in some SEA nations by it will difficult against some cities in SEA, SG is of course the best AD in SEA, Thailand and Vietnam will be difficult too. Jarkata should be heavily protected by not the rest of the nation, MY is able to give some resistance to airstrike but not much , the rest of SEA is easy meat for OZ's airstrike.



saver111	Aug 23 2005, 04:34 PM Post #9
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,625 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Since this is going out of no where, Quote: Without interference from the US, EU, China and Russia, who do you think will win? So there will be no U.S. intervention, meaning U.S forces will not provide assistance to all parties, either engaging or allowing use of its bases and allow equipments of foreign countries in those bases from engaging.(e.g. squadron of planes in training etc). Ring a bell? Quote: What could possibly be the reason for that conflict? Similar dark motives such as this. Quote: Is ASEAN strong enough to engage Australia in a military conflict? You cited Indonesia having problems with Australia. Are members willing to join the fray? Are the members loyal enough to everyone, like Singapore and Malaysia? ASEAN is not a gang that can be used easily to go to war. Quote: Is Australia confident and strong enough to engage the little brown and yellow ASEAN member states and who for centuries considered as the white man’s burden? It can. As for AD, it would hit the most capable first., just like the GW, and the rest follows. BUT. again..... http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1966 Much better
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flipzi	Aug 23 2005, 06:38 PM Post #10
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Australia may sink a lot of ships and turns many ASEAN cities into rubble but Australia will not benefit from it. It will just be a costly war. Australia knows that well enough that's why it is trying it's best to take the diplomatic route in addressing their problems. Just like the link, http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1966 ... that "saver111" has pasted, Australia would rather play smart by enticing us to help them solve the menace that bothers them. Moreover, the US and the UN wont allow the ASEAN bloc to stir the tranquility in this part of the region. The whole world is deep s@#t already because of the oil crisis. The world's oil price is rising every day, as it seems now. Okay, but just what if ... or in case this war does happen? The combined AF and Navy of ASEAN will prove to be too strong for the Australians to confront head-on. Only a pair or two of the total of Australia's F111s may reach ASEAN air space because the eagles of the ASEAN air forces like Thailand, Singapore and Indonesia will knock out these jets before these F111s can come close to any ASEAN member's air space. Worst, none will have the chance to drop a single bomb. Australia dont have an aircraft carrier. Singapore and Indonesia have subs too. The combinded ASW-capable assets of the ASEAN nations will definitely oungun Australia's Navy. Nonetheless, :whogives: I am sure it wont happen in our time. Unless, of course armagedon steps in and fool Australia and the ASEAN into going to war to settle the dispute! It will be better for ASEAN and Australia to settle all issues diplomatically. Any action that will disturb the tranquil waters within ASEAN and the Australian continent will only hurt the economy of all the countries involved. Who wins? No one.
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