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Philippine Air Force soars on airmen's ingenuity; doing more with less!
Topic Started: Sep 30 2004, 08:46 PM (4,975 Views)
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Aug 9 2005, 12:23 AM
if thier planning for the future then thats :specool:
as far as i know our economy is growing. :thumb:

I believe you're right.

So the PAF is eyeing for the F18s and the SU30 or maybe the Gripen?

F18 has been the favorite choice for the past 6 years.

It's twin engine makes it more appealing than the F16. It's awesome power makes it worth taking as well.

A good buy for an MRF.

A perfect strike-fighter aircraft. It is also a good maritime strike aircraft.

We can have a squadron of this and then just get 2 squadrons of SU30 or Gripen for interception or the prime roles for dogfight.

Just my thought though. :armysmile:
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Why buy a squadron of dedicated attack jets and squadrons of fighters dedicated to Air defense? It defeats the purpose of buying MRFs. It saves money if we buy a fighter that can excel in more than 1 role like F4 Phantoms. One other choice is to buy late-model F4Es or F4Gs or even F16As from the US in storage at Davis Monahan and have their avionics upgraded by the Israelis? Wcan put these rust buckets back into flying condition and extend their service hours?
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upgrades$$$..modifications$$$...nahh....the F-18 is already a good MRF! they can handle AS and AA missions...forget the hassles... :drunk:
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Aug 9 2005, 05:20 PM
upgrades$$$..modifications$$$...nahh....the F-18 is already a good MRF! they can handle AS and AA missions...forget the hassles... :drunk:

Just hope they have corrected the reported flaws in it.

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1912
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Aug 9 2005, 08:50 AM
So the PAF is eyeing for the F18s and the SU30 or maybe the Gripen?

F18 has been the favorite choice for the past 6 years.

It's twin engine makes it more appealing than the F16. It's awesome power makes it worth taking as well.

A good buy for an MRF.

A perfect strike-fighter aircraft. It is also a good maritime strike aircraft.

We can have a squadron of this and then just get 2 squadrons of SU30 or Gripen for interception or the prime roles for dogfight.

Just my thought though.  :armysmile:

Sir Flipzi,

:specool: thoughts on F-18.

I think F-18 Hornet is the favorite choice since 1996 pa..
A POSSIBLE SOLUTION for PAF modernization program. Maybe, if money is available F-18 is the choosen one.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/mdc/96-310.html

Well, F-18 Hornet is a complete MRF that is designed to do the best possible combination of a good FIGHTER and STRIKE Aircraft coupled with advance avionics.
The HORNET can do Two Critical things that is well suited to our defense requirement like Air Defense and Ground/Maritime Strike Fighter.

My Favorite(F-18) bet for the PAF next Tactical Fighter. Peace to all.








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Aug 9 2005, 04:51 PM
Why buy a squadron of dedicated attack jets and squadrons of fighters dedicated to Air defense? It defeats the purpose of buying MRFs. It saves money if we buy a fighter that can excel in more than 1 role like F4 Phantoms. One other choice is to buy late-model F4Es or F4Gs or even F16As from the US in storage at Davis Monahan and have their avionics upgraded by the Israelis? Wcan put these rust buckets back into flying condition and extend their service hours?

"It defeats the purpose of buying MRFs."

:agree:

Nonetheless, the JAS39 and SU30 are cheaper and are more agile than the F18.

SU30 is a deadly combat aircraft.

We have to consider that an MRF must compromise some factors to handle multi-roles.

Now, that's what makes me consider having two types of MRFs.

One squadron of F18s, because of its long range capability and even STOL can make it as a good Maritime Strike aircraft.

The rest of the F18s can be the maritime strike aircraft's escort if in case the aggressor will try to intercept the strike aircraft with their own combat planes.

We can use our SU30 and JAS39 if the aggressor manages to breach that defense.

How is that?

The JAS39 will be our prime ground attack aircraft for our COIN.
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i read from a FHM mag that has an interview about a PAF fighter pilot, he said that he and other pilots favored the JAS-39 gripen, i forgot about the date of issue thou :thumb:
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if the PAF only took up Israel's offer for Kfir 2000/C-10, it could have had "cheaper" MRFs compared to F-16C/Ds, F/A-18C/Ds and even Gripens. :headbang: :drunk:
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Aug 10 2005, 01:27 PM
i read from a FHM mag that has an interview about a PAF fighter pilot, he said that he and other pilots favored the JAS-39 gripen, i forgot about the date of issue thou :thumb:

It was featured on April 2003. The cover girl ws Ruffa Mae Quinto.

BTW on buying Kfirs, I know the Israelis produce how quality weapon systems at relatively lower prices this side of the US/EU sphere of influence. However, it is not that politically viable to buy Israeli at the moment. As you know, the state of Israel isn't widely accepted by the Islamic world. Many states perceive Israel to be an abomination since Arabs claim they squat on land that rightfully belongs to Palestine. It doesn't help any that until recently, Israel fought a bloody war of attrition against Palestine when they have made peace a few years ago. If we buy Israeli defense items like Kfir 2000s we might antagonize Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei whom are predominantly Muslim nations.
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Does not Israel supply arms to muslim and non-muslim nations? china trades arms with israel? the usa and britain, both suppliers of arms to muslim and non-muslim nations, as well as avowed enemies of al qaeda and other arab extremists, supply arms to malaysia, kuwait, indonesia, saudi arabia, qatar, uae, etc etc. its an obfuscated argument. should foreign governments dictate our defense policies

in any event, there are other reasons why civilian and political leaders refuse to arm and modernize the afp. the president is afraid the afp might turn its firepower on her government. its a fear primal even during fvr's term (because that would have been the heyday of the afp). lack of funds is not an insurmountable obstacle. the government can afford partial small purchases. start with five or less F-16s per year. we would have a reasonably effective defensive posture by now. streamline manpower and other expenses. vietnam purchased su30s piecemeal.

and then there is ever pervasive fraud, graft and corruption.
i hope garic gets his just desserts. he disappointed us. and then the people who stole the afslai and rsbs blind, should be punished. i hope ramiscal et al also get their comeuppance.

erap abrogated the f-16 deal because he wanted to make sure he can make money on the side in other deals.

pgma forgot her post oakwood promises again.

we in the forum and others concerned should raise our voices.

what happened to the 3 billion being appropriated by congress - announced by cong zubiri - ostensibly for aircraft purchases? that amount is equivalent to about 50 million us dollars. it can buy three expensive mrfs, even not full package and some secondary interceptors or upgrade even two squadrons of f5s or converted to f5e condition.

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