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Old new again; second-hand bargains
Topic Started: Aug 3 2005, 06:31 AM (8,062 Views)
israeli
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flipzi: sadly, those M class frigates are already sold to the Chilean Navy. Chile's recent purchases include, among others, two M class and two L class (air defense variant of the Kortenaer class) class frigates from the Netherlands; and one Type 22 (ex-HMS Sheffield) and three Type 23 class frigates (all three for a price of US$180 million) from Britain. those vessels are slated to replace the County class destroyers and Leander class frigates. :headbang:


saver111: hmmmmmmmmmm... do those @ssholes have a say in the Netherlands? :whogives:
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saver111: hmmmmmmmmmm... do those @ssholes have a say in the Netherlands?


Don't know why their gov't is giving refuge to those guys. I know there are socialist parties giving support to his groups. But the way some of these European thinks... M113s for civilian purpose only... CF5s... human rights accusations...ring a bell? :drunk:
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Aug 24 2005, 01:10 PM
if the PN needs near coast patrol vessels, the South Korean PKMs and most of the FACs that i have listed down will qualify but for blue water duties, i am recommending the Descubierta class frigates and the Aviso (A-69) class corvettes. :thumb:

I raise the question because you have wealth of info regarding those navy ship surplus that are possible to PN(if they will consider it) and in connection to Mr.Possible post about Littoral Environment.

also, I read somewhere in the Net(i forgot to note the link) that Uncle Sam is concentrating on building a combat ship specially tailored for LITTORAL WARFARE IN WHICH THEY CONSIDER AS THE FUTURE OF NAVAL WARFARE.

So, heavily armed Fast Attack Craft will do the job in protecting our Archipelagic Littoral water with minimal capability in blue water operation.

As long they(FAC) are economical to operate and adequate enough for various maritime operations within our Exclusive Economic Zone, then missile armed FAC must be included in the list of PN modernization program..

Karel doorman looks awesome. Nice Pic man. :specool: Peace to all.
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comrade edwin, our PKMs, that lone Cyclone and the FACs are only good for coastal patrol and near-coast engagements but we cannot use them for offshore patrol duties. it is really a must for the PN to have big vessels (offshore patrol vessels to be exact) to do 24/7 patrol of the Philippines' vast territory.

for blue water and offshore patrol duties, again, the Philippine Navy should take a look at the French Aviso class corvettes and Spanish Descubierta class light frigates. :fire:
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Aug 28 2005, 07:37 PM
comrade edwin, our PKMs, that lone Cyclone and the FACs are only good for coastal patrol and near-coast engagements but we cannot use them for offshore patrol duties. it is really a must for the PN to have big vessels (offshore patrol vessels to be exact) to do 24/7 patrol of the Philippines' vast territory.

for blue water and offshore patrol duties, again, the Philippine Navy should take a look at the French Aviso class corvettes and Spanish Descubierta class light frigates. :fire:


"it is really a must for the PN to have big vessels (offshore patrol vessels to be exact) to do 24/7 patrol of the Philippines' vast territory. "

:exactly:

Kala siguro ng Malacanang sapat na yung Peacock-class sa external defense. :dunno:
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And I hate to be the party pooper to all of these ambitions since all such plans will boil down to one aspect....FUNDING. Even if the will and expertise is there, nothing will happen without the MULLA.

Great inputs though in this thread. :thumb: :btt:
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it cost $16 million a year (1996 figure) to operate a perry. say you need three (north luzon, palawan, mindanao or reserve). that is $48 million. now imagine an air force with a low/high tech mix. one squadron of newer mrf planes and three squadrons of cheap planes ($100 korean f-5s bought and operated with the $48 million) stationed throughout the country armed with antiship ordnance. if each squadron has 12-15 planes, it would have more punch, can cover more area, has longer range and can react faster than a lone perry being chased by an aggresor. any invading ship which gets through can be taken care of by suitably armed coastal patrol boats. the smaller boats i think will have an advantage if the bigger ships start operating in maneuver restrictive waters.
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Aug 30 2005, 11:52 AM
it cost $16 million a year (1996 figure) to operate a perry. say you need three (north luzon, palawan, mindanao or reserve). that is $48 million. now imagine an air force with a low/high tech mix. one squadron of newer mrf planes and three squadrons of cheap planes ($100 korean f-5s bought and operated with the $48 million) stationed throughout the country armed with antiship ordnance. if each squadron has 12-15 planes, it would have more punch, can cover more area, has longer range and can react faster than a lone perry being chased by an aggresor. any invading ship which gets through can be taken care of by suitably armed coastal patrol boats. the smaller boats i think will have an advantage if the bigger ships start operating in maneuver restrictive waters.

:exactly: eagle 1, that's my point in suggesting in getting those old F5's in order to help patrol our EEZ not reached by our small number of ships. With a very limited budget we got to expand our resources to cover as much as possible all our territories. Get 1 high ticketed vessel leaving other areas unprotected is useless. We must also consider operating and maintenance cost. See the Thai carrier? They got it but is having a hard time operating it. :dunno:
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it cost $16 million a year (1996 figure) to operate a perry. say you need three (north luzon, palawan, mindanao or reserve). that is $48 million. now imagine an air force with a low/high tech mix. one squadron of newer mrf planes and three squadrons of cheap planes ($100 korean f-5s bought and operated with the $48 million) stationed throughout the country armed with antiship ordnance. if each squadron has 12-15 planes, it would have more punch, can cover more area, has longer range and can react faster than a lone perry being chased by an aggresor. any invading ship which gets through can be taken care of by suitably armed coastal patrol boats. the smaller boats i think will have an advantage if the bigger ships start operating in maneuver restrictive waters.

:exactly: eagle 1, that's my point in suggesting in getting those old F5's in order to help patrol our EEZ not reached by our small number of ships. With a very limited budget we got to expand our resources to cover as much as possible all our territories. Get 1 high ticketed vessel leaving other areas unprotected is useless. We must also consider operating and maintenance cost. See the Thai carrier? They got it but is having a hard time operating it. :dunno:

Use F-5s for EEZ, Maritime Patrol? Kidding right guys? :dunno:

This sounds like Sen. J.P. Enrile's arguments for more fighters than ships in the debates leading up to the AFP Modrernization Act.


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Use F-5s for EEZ, Maritime Patrol? Kidding right guys?


Well Sir Datu, that is for the time being when our gov't hasn't made up their minds on what dedicated maritime patrol aircrafts will be bought with the suppossed budget for our modernization heaven knows if still there is. We lack equipment for both air and sea patrol and going on to eagle 1's point, it's practical for the time being. :dunno:
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