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Ideal Aircraft station in Pag-asa island
Topic Started: Jul 26 2005, 07:00 PM (6,321 Views)
jammerjamesky
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AFP wants Pagasa isle developed vs terror

The Philippine Star 06/26/2006

PAGASA ISLAND, Palawan — Armed Forces chief Gen. Generoso Senga is keen on developing Pagasa island, particularly the military facilities, to enhance the capability of Filipino soldiers in fighting terrorism.

On a visit last Saturday, Senga said he wanted the Rancudo airfield developed for military aircraft and a docking area for Navy ships built to prevent them from hitting sand bars like what happened to the BRP Benguet two years ago.

Senga said although Pagasa is quite far for regular military training exercises, the island could be used to enhance the fighting skills of elite Armed Forces units such as the Navy’s Special Warfare Group (SWAG), which is similar to the US Navy Seals.

"We are visiting this place as often as we can, for us to see the situation of our troops here, their living conditions, how they maintain their facilities, as well as (get a feel of) morale, in case they have morale problems and concerns," he said.

Senga said he was happy to note that soldiers assigned on the island, some 580 nautical miles west of Manila, maintain a high morale.

"This is our so-called last frontier, that is why we do this," he said.

Senga said while issues surrounding the claims of China and Malaysia over the Spratly islands in the South China Sea would be solved through diplomatic means, these countries should study the possibility of jointly developing these areas.

Instead of fighting over the Spratlys, he said the claimant countries should just help each other explore and tap the natural resources for everyone’s benefit.

The Spratlys, believed to sit atop vast oil and natural gas deposits, are claimed in whole or in part by the Philippines, Brunei, China, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam. All, except Brunei, have military troops on the islands they occupy.

Senga said that the Armed Forces Western Command headed by Rear Adm. Tirso Danga has asked the Department of Budget and Management for funds to improve military facilities at the Kalayaan group of islands, particularly communication and other needed facilities.

Military units in Pagasa also regularly patrol the waters off the island against pirates, who have reportedly killed Chinese fishermen last May, he added.

Pagasa island spans 32 hectares and is home to the Air Force’s 4th Tactical Operations Wing and a unit from the Naval Forces West. — James Mananghaya

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200606260405.htm
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The PC-7 is a tandem seat, turbo-prop, basic TRAINER, not a transport/utility aircraft. :)

For fantasy sake being their is NO funding my suggestions for suitable aircraft for Paga Saga are:

Maritime Patrol & Anti-Piracy -
(4) C-212-400 PATRULLA MPA - Twin turbo-prop all-weather, economical ($230 per flight hour costs) Maritime Patrol Aircraft equipped with 360-degree radar, turreted FLIR/Search light, low-light level TV system, and two fuselage hardpoints for two 12-round 70mm rocket pods, or FN Herstal .50cal HMG pods or even a pair of Sea Skuka radar-guided short range (9-mile) anti-ship missiles (think standoff range anti-piracy vessel killers keeping the aircraft out of range of AAA or even shoulder-fired SAM's. The Patrulla is in active useage worldwide with numerous nations in South America, Indonesia, and Europe. Best aircraft for the best overall - low costs. Three Patrulla's available daily would provide Paga Saga with a 24-hour, around the clock Maritime Patrol coverage out to say 100-miles offshore each aircraft flying an 8-hour mission.

Maritime Deterence & All-Weather Interception -
(6) F-5E TIGER III - We all know the capabilities of the UpGraded Israeli Tiger III's (Chilean Air Force models are most advanced), can be armed with Israeli Opher Infared quided 500-Lb HE Bombs, Sea Skuka ASM's, and rocket pods. Twin engine for safe over-water flights and realibility. Phil A.F. has experience with the F-5A so getting up to speed maintaining, training and operating the F-5E versions would be simple and straight forward. Four would be maintained on a 24-hour/+5-minute Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) two Fighters for interceptions and two for 'armed' Maritime Deterrence Missions. That leaves two Fighters down for maintenance daily.

Island Ground Air Defense -
HUMVEE self-propelled twin quad AVENGER SAM system - 4 units total would move daily into different positions around the Island.

(12) 40mm Bofors AA Guns in towed single mounts located in mini-batteries of four guns each to cover likely amphibious landing zones and for last-ditch generall AA coverage. These would be equipped with a FLIR tracker system and a Laser Range Finder/Pointer and battery powered auto traverse, elevation/depression as well as manual for emergency use.

Ground Defenses
(4) Self-Propelled Truck mounted twin MM 40 Block III EXOCET launchers for anti-ship/anti-landing craft destruction out a maximum 'effective' range of 30-miles. Truck mounted = survivalibility.

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comrade Mercenary! it is very nice to see you here in PDFF. hope you post more often here as well. :thumb: :armysmile:
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Jun 22 2006, 01:06 PM
to the rest, as per my proposal, we should not base MRFs wihtn the island, ALL OFFENSIVE WEAPONS SHOULD BE BASED AT PALAWAN, NOT PAGASA ISLAND. this might spark the militarization of the area as well as intimidation on our neighbors as well as china. please, please, please... only defensive weapons like AA guns and light artillery be based on pagasa island, SAR and transport aircrafts/helos and 3 OPVs for patrol duties not only to pagasa island but for the whole kalayaan group of islands (parang police lang ba). not intimidating but can send a message that says "hey, we're here to guard and protect our property" ganun lang.

peace to all!

The most important is what we want to do on PAG ASA Island and not what our neighbors might say or react.

We should not do action base from the free opinion of our neighbors. Just take care of our own interest for the benefit of the whole country.

Pag-Asa Island is long time known as Military base or detachment of THE PHILIPPINES.

Afraid of Arm race???? Our neighbors are already doing it, we are just the only country left behind.

China, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Taiwan are improving their respective armed forces as fast as they can by acquiring sophisticated weapons on continous basis without bothering what would might their neighbors will react or say.

SO, whatever we want to do on PAg-asa island is our own decision and not our neighbors business. cheers. Peace to all. :armycheers:
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:agree: Edwin

But in some reason we should be more moderate in our development. Pag-Asa Island is not an exclusive military base already. It was declared already as a independent municipality and part of Palawan Province. Any military development/build up in the area is also an agenda of the Local Government Unit of Pag-Asa.

Although they have a separate power but i think it is a big deal to the LGU of this island if there is any military development to be carry on.

IF there should be a very important project to be implemented as soon as possible;

1. Improvement of the Runway

2. Construction of Naval Dock/Pier

3. Electrification Program

4. Coast Watch Station and Radar Station (if possible it can also be used for weather observation)

5. Base Facility Improvement (New Housing/Barracks, Multi-Purpose Bldg, Bunkers, Water and Power Station, Hangar, and Repair bays)

6. Defense Weapon Installation
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edwin
Jul 2 2006, 09:21 PM
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Jun 22 2006, 01:06 PM
to the rest, as per my proposal, we should not base MRFs wihtn the island, ALL OFFENSIVE WEAPONS SHOULD BE BASED AT PALAWAN, NOT PAGASA ISLAND. this might spark the militarization of the area as well as intimidation on our neighbors as well as china. please, please, please... only defensive weapons like AA guns and light artillery be based on pagasa island, SAR and transport aircrafts/helos and 3 OPVs for patrol duties not only to pagasa island but for the whole kalayaan group of islands (parang police lang ba). not intimidating but can send a message that says "hey, we're here to guard and protect our property" ganun lang.

peace to all!

The most important is what we want to do on PAG ASA Island and not what our neighbors might say or react.

We should not do action base from the free opinion of our neighbors. Just take care of our own interest for the benefit of the whole country.

Pag-Asa Island is long time known as Military base or detachment of THE PHILIPPINES.

Afraid of Arm race???? Our neighbors are already doing it, we are just the only country left behind.

China, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Taiwan are improving their respective armed forces as fast as they can by acquiring sophisticated weapons on continous basis without bothering what would might their neighbors will react or say.

SO, whatever we want to do on PAg-asa island is our own decision and not our neighbors business. cheers. Peace to all. :armycheers:

Maybe we should install some BrahMos cruise missiles on the island...
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Israeli,

LOL Yeah and to think that 'I' or 'We' can all actually post freely here on this Public Forum about the so secretive PA Island defenses. Or our fantasies of what they could be budget or none at all.

You'd think if the enemies of the State are watching they'd surely pick up on the fact that Posts on the other Forum were -deleted-. The other Forum being none other then the Government supported Forum. LOL

http://www.navy.mil.ph/links.html

NOTE: The website listed at the bottom of the Philippine Navy's official website.

Perhaps this Forum will be censored next?

LMAO

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comrade Mercenary: actually, we really have to be careful and sensitive about we are posting here and in the other defense forums. we may think that our posts seem to be "harmless" but the truth is that they contain sensitive pieces of information that could be "hot" in the eyes of some lurkers here.

the PDFF and PDF are venues for us to express our opinions and suggestions about the Armed Forces of the Philippines but that does not mean that we can post anything that we want at the expense of national security. ;)
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Jun 24 2006, 08:37 AM
As I have said, the idea is very very good and I support it 1001% but you guys don't seem to get my point.

It does not matter whether its MERALCO OR NAPOCOR OR PNOC. What I am trying to emphasize is NO GOVT entity or office will be willing to put money on a project that will not have any return investment. Hindi maglalagay ng pondo ang gobyerno sa isang project na hindi sila kikita. yun ang point ko. Pwede silang mag finance ng solar energy projects dun sa mga barrios na marami ng tao pero hindi pa ina-abot ng Meralco/Napocor, kung maraming tao pwede silang maningil kahit konti para naman bumalik yun puhunan sa ginastos nila. E sa Spratly, ilang lang ang tao?

Page, there is no such thing as free anymore. Kahit sa Germany hindi pwedeng libre yun solar energy na pinondohan ng Govt. Users gets incentive yes agree ako dun, kahit dito sa States may incentive ang users ng solar energy. ikaw na ang may sabi " THEIR GOV'T IS EVEN COMMERCIALIZING THE USE OF SOLAR POWER TO ALMOST ALL OF GERMANY! "
sir, commercializing means To apply methods of business to for profit so panong naging libre yun?

sorry for the late reply top this topic... what i mean on the word "COMMERCIALIZING" is "ADVERTISE" or "TO PROMOTE"... still, if you could watch or do research regarding what germany is "promoting" on the use of solar panels for alternative electricity use you will see what i am talking about...

... peace to all!
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The PC-7 is a tandem seat, turbo-prop, basic TRAINER, not a transport/utility aircraft. :)

For fantasy sake being their is NO funding my suggestions for suitable aircraft for Paga Saga are:

Maritime Patrol & Anti-Piracy -
(4) C-212-400 PATRULLA MPA - Twin turbo-prop all-weather, economical ($230 per flight hour costs) Maritime Patrol Aircraft equipped with 360-degree radar, turreted FLIR/Search light, low-light level TV system, and two fuselage hardpoints for two 12-round 70mm rocket pods, or FN Herstal .50cal HMG pods or even a pair of Sea Skuka radar-guided short range (9-mile) anti-ship missiles (think standoff range anti-piracy vessel killers keeping the aircraft out of range of AAA or even shoulder-fired SAM's. The Patrulla is in active useage worldwide with numerous nations in South America, Indonesia, and Europe. Best aircraft for the best overall - low costs. Three Patrulla's available daily would provide Paga Saga with a 24-hour, around the clock Maritime Patrol coverage out to say 100-miles offshore each aircraft flying an 8-hour mission.

Maritime Deterence & All-Weather Interception -
(6) F-5E TIGER III - We all know the capabilities of the UpGraded Israeli Tiger III's (Chilean Air Force models are most advanced), can be armed with Israeli Opher Infared quided 500-Lb HE Bombs, Sea Skuka ASM's, and rocket pods. Twin engine for safe over-water flights and realibility. Phil A.F. has experience with the F-5A so getting up to speed maintaining, training and operating the F-5E versions would be simple and straight forward. Four would be maintained on a 24-hour/+5-minute Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) two Fighters for interceptions and two for 'armed' Maritime Deterrence Missions. That leaves two Fighters down for maintenance daily.

Island Ground Air Defense -
HUMVEE self-propelled twin quad AVENGER SAM system - 4 units total would move daily into different positions around the Island.

(12) 40mm Bofors AA Guns in towed single mounts located in mini-batteries of four guns each to cover likely amphibious landing zones and for last-ditch generall AA coverage. These would be equipped with a FLIR tracker system and a Laser Range Finder/Pointer and battery powered auto traverse, elevation/depression as well as manual for emergency use.

Ground Defenses
(4) Self-Propelled Truck mounted twin MM 40 Block III EXOCET launchers for anti-ship/anti-landing craft destruction out a maximum 'effective' range of 30-miles. Truck mounted = survivalibility.

Then that tiny islet would be the most or shall we say the only well defended area, were leaving the mainland defenseless.. :drunk:
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