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Ideal Aircraft station in Pag-asa island
Topic Started: Jul 26 2005, 07:00 PM (6,322 Views)
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jammerjamesky
Jun 21 2006, 08:15 PM
So you got my idea also comrade page money. But this is just a proposal and our visions for the future of the Pag-Asa Island. I hope they will give some consideration and adopt our ideas for the future of this place.

The Geological Activity and Research Station for Marine and other related fields will be a permanent station. They will be under the AFP command but a DOST equipments.

About the Solar Energy Plant in the Island. All i wanted to use is the German Solar Panel Concepts. A very realiable new cell panels that are being tested.. and all the buildings here will be filled by solar panels. or a wind farm will be established in the island about 10 platforms..

:agree: yes sir jammerjamesky, i certainly agree! very good proposal on the solar and wind power concept. yes as per watching from documentaries, the new solar panel being built by a german firm (forgot the name of the company) is the most reliable, as what i know one island here in the philippines uses this kind of solar panel (a grant from the german gov't with cooperation from the phil. gov't) to provide electricity to a town and/or small community. also, the use of wind power as another alternative for electricity will be very good for the island, and, as per sir israeli just said, the community within pagasa island will and can be a model community for other small towns in rural areas within the philippines (grabe, i thought i was the only one who is visualizing this, matagal ko ng pino-propose eto, but now marami na tayo and i hope our gov't won't turn a blind eye on this issue = thanks from you sie jammerjamesky).

i also agree with regards to marine research and other related fields that they are based on military buildings (sharing the cost for maintenance of the buildings) as well as building a relationship within the civilian and military community.

to the rest, as per my proposal, we should not base MRFs wihtn the island, ALL OFFENSIVE WEAPONS SHOULD BE BASED AT PALAWAN, NOT PAGASA ISLAND. this might spark the militarization of the area as well as intimidation on our neighbors as well as china. please, please, please... only defensive weapons like AA guns and light artillery be based on pagasa island, SAR and transport aircrafts/helos and 3 OPVs for patrol duties not only to pagasa island but for the whole kalayaan group of islands (parang police lang ba). not intimidating but can send a message that says "hey, we're here to guard and protect our property" ganun lang.

peace to all!
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yes sir jammerjamesky, i certainly agree! very good proposal on the solar and wind power concept. yes as per watching from documentaries, the new solar panel being built by a german firm (forgot the name of the company) is the most reliable, as what i know one island here in the philippines uses this kind of solar panel (a grant from the german gov't with cooperation from the phil. gov't) to provide electricity to a town and/or small community. also, the use of wind power as another alternative for electricity will be very good for the island, and, as per sir israeli just said, the community within pagasa island will and can be a model community for other small towns in rural areas within the philippines (grabe, i thought i was the only one who is visualizing this, matagal ko ng pino-propose eto, but now marami na tayo and i hope our gov't won't turn a blind eye on this issue = thanks from you sie jammerjamesky).


The exact location was El Cajon CA, near San Diego. The technology was developed by 80+ year old German couple. They bring the concept when they migrated to the US.

This is there wbesite: http://www.pyronsolar.com/US/index.htm

For me the development of this kind of solar panel lalo sorrounded by the water and isang place ay talagang akmang-akma sa isang island na katulad ng Pag-Asa.






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Wind Farm Station off coast of Pag-Asa (this might be possible also) Germans are establishing this farm station in German North Sea and Baltic Sea.

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Although we have already an wind farm in ilocos area. why not try this off shore wind farming. Some of the related threads is found in the other part of the forum.

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It seems the Ammo Bunker is surrounded by important facilities and buildings like housing, radar, hangar,joint command center, radar etc, etc. How deep underground your ammo Bunker??


Ammunition bunkers are constructed in a very specific conditions. There are factors to be consider in the construction of the said facility. I think its not proper to discuss the details of the ammunition bunkers coz there are other watchfull eyes observing our discussion. The construction of the PAF ammunition bunker in Clark. It was a huge construction effort by the PAF and under the FILDRAVO Consurtium. Specifications is other matter already. Pls. understand that specifications should not be going to be discussed lalo na ang isang proposal.

Those lay outs shown are subject for revision and specific locations may vary if this will push thru. I never been in that area to be able to have a good design of structures lalo na sa Pag-Asa but it should be properly observed and studied by the designers that will carry out the development in the future. There are factors to consider lalo na sa isla na malayo at complicated ang issue.
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It's a very good idea to have solar or wind powered energy source. But the question is, WHOS GONNA PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE? To give an example, a 12 sq inch solar panel is about $80.00 this size panel can run an 8 inch 12volts fan cost is about $9.00 if you need to make it run at night then you need a battery and a charge controller add this 2 components and you're looking at about $250.00 at 55 in pesos that is PHP13,750.00!!!

Oviously to run more appliances means adding more solar panels and batteries, we're not even adding the cost of Power Inverter to convert DC to AC

If we're thinking about setting up this power source in a populated island then maybe the govt or someone else may provide the funds because there is a return in their investment, they can charge the people living there kahit na minimal amount lang, pero talking about Pagasa island, IMHO the govt will probably say puro sundalo lang naman ang nandun bayaan mo sila, they can manage!!??
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It's a very good idea to have solar or wind powered energy source. But the question is, WHOS GONNA PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE? To give an example, a 12 sq inch solar panel is about $80.00 this size panel can run an 8 inch 12volts fan cost is about $9.00 if you need to make it run at night then you need a battery and a charge controller add this 2 components and you're looking at about $250.00 at 55 in pesos that is PHP13,750.00!!!


Comrade Gemini Have noticed that China has been adopting the renewable energy program in Northern Part of China? Specifically the Wind farm and Solar cell panels.

Where does this technology came from?
They came from Germany thru a technology transfer effort goverment to government negotiations to power the northern portion of inner mongolia in the desert area. They made manufactured their own prop's (made from fiber glass) and turbines provided by germany with the supervision also of German engineers in the installation of the platform.

Same with the solar cell panels their is an alternative(aside from polysolar product) new solar cells technology also developed in germany and ready for distribution in African country's at a cheaper cost. China is already making a local manufacturing industry of the solar panel's from a german company. I saw already some of the Solar cell project that the German Aid Agency is implementing in ou country. Some of the government offices has solar installation(anong govt. offices ang meron? NIA has one, Department of Energy rural electrification program also tap at the German Technology). Effort lang ang kailangan po. Serious leadership!

The Renewable energy program that is currently implemented by the present administration they can utilize the german technology transfer for the solar and wind energy. To note that there is a new Renewable Energy Corporation under the leadership of Peter Abaya(former Dept. of Energy Undersec.)That the future of this Project to power the island is very bright.

Who's gonna pay for the infrastructure?
This should be funded by our own government. This is a vital installation for the future that their should be no one be involve in the financing of the project lalo na foreigners(lalo na chineese government, even though they offer a low interest loans at the rate of 2-2.5% rate for 20 yrs). Ito lang ang dapat nating gawin. Tayo dapat ang magbantay sa atin bakuran di yung iasa sa ibang tao at bansa. This is an investment in the form of security and disaster preparedness. The island should be developed in the future. In the development of the facility entire the island there must be a top level of security to be carried out.

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Jammers I TOTALLY :agree: with YOU 1001% pero ang GOVT ba natin agreeable?? malaking question mark?? di ba? Yun sample ko, that was the cheapest brand dito sa home depot pero pag i convert mo sa pesos malaking pera din. Dito binibigyan na rin ng attention ang renewable energy, PG & E (Meralco diyan) pa ang front liner sa project. E diyan sa atin why is it that Meralco wont even adopt the idea? kasi nga malaking pera ang kailangan para maging viable ang project and it will take a lot of time before they can break even on the cost. So even if the govt considers this kind of project I think they will do it someplace else that is really withing the PI territory, tamo yun sample mo, the chinese are adopting the project in Northern China, nasa China pa rin at wala sa Spratly right?
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About the MERALCO's matter i think they are more on the Electricity Distribution than in the Electricity Creation and Transmission.

PNOC-EDC and the new Renewable Energy Corporation is the right government agency that is now taking incharge of this type of energy harvesting process.

PNOC has a wind farm already in Ilocos region and one of the implementing agency of the rural electrification programof the government. I remember also the PNOC-EDC installed the solar panels in a remote area in mindanao. The project is supported by the german government aid agency until now.
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Jun 23 2006, 11:35 AM
Jammers I TOTALLY :agree: with YOU 1001% pero ang GOVT ba natin agreeable?? malaking question mark?? di ba? Yun sample ko, that was the cheapest brand dito sa home depot pero pag i convert mo sa pesos malaking pera din. Dito binibigyan na rin ng attention ang renewable energy, PG & E (Meralco diyan) pa ang front liner sa project. E diyan sa atin why is it that Meralco wont even adopt the idea? kasi nga malaking pera ang kailangan para maging viable ang project and it will take a lot of time before they can break even on the cost. So even if the govt considers this kind of project I think they will do it someplace else that is really withing the PI territory, tamo yun sample mo, the chinese are adopting the project in Northern China, nasa China pa rin at wala sa Spratly right?

sir gemini1, meralco is only the DISTRIBUTOR, napocor are the ones SUPPLYING the electricity (they operate the generating plants), as well as other generating plants operated by other electrification company under DOE-ERC-NAPOCOR.

now why meralco doesn't want to support or adopt the idea? because CUSTOMERS LIKE US WILL BE INDEPENDENT ON ELECTRICITY, if we're independent on electrcity, NO MONEY WILL FLOW TO MERALCO, IN RETURN NO MONEY TO PAY FOR NAPOCOR WHOSE SUPPLYING ELECTRICITY. why? because of the example of what the german gov't did to users of solar energy in their country, THEY GET INCENTIVES (-IN TAXES AND THEY DO NOT PAY ANYTHING FROM THE ENERGY SECTOR) AND THEIR GOV'T IS EVEN COMMERCIALIZING THE USE OF SOLAR POWER TO ALMOST ALL OF GERMANY! why? BECAUSE, AS WHAT WE CALL IN OUR ISO14001 PROGRAM, OF RESOURCE DEPLETION (generating plants uses the ffg fuels resources: bunker oil/diesel, water/hydro, coal, etc.). reduce your dependency on electricity from these generating plants by using solar energy and you REDUCE THE DEPLETION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND EVEN PARTICIPATED IN CLEANING AND PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL. that's what the german gov't is doing now.

now, for the idea of putting-up or setting-up solar panels in remote islands LIKE THE SPRATLY'S, it's a very good feasable project? why? because of many reasons:

1. will be less dependent on fuels (oil/diesel)
2. you protect the environment withn the area (no spills/leaks from fuel tanks, no pollutants in the air, etc.)
3. you create mutual cooperation (in economic and political terms) with the german gov't (grants, tech-transfer, etc.)
4. creates additional jobs here in the philippines (SUNPOWER INC., a manufacturing plant here in laguna, just in-front of our plant, manufactures solar panel, and take note: these are exported to europe and the US)
5. a pilot project to other rural areas that electricity cannot be supplied by either meralco and/or rural electrification board

... and many, many more!

i know this is way-off the topic but i have a question to all of you: if not for solarpanels and wind-farm station to produce electricity WHAT KIND OF POWER UNIT TO SUPPLY ELECTRICITY IS FEASIBLE FOR THE SPRATLY'S / KALAYAAN GROUP OF ISLANDS? (include economics)

... comments pls.
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As I have said, the idea is very very good and I support it 1001% but you guys don't seem to get my point.

It does not matter whether its MERALCO OR NAPOCOR OR PNOC. What I am trying to emphasize is NO GOVT entity or office will be willing to put money on a project that will not have any return investment. Hindi maglalagay ng pondo ang gobyerno sa isang project na hindi sila kikita. yun ang point ko. Pwede silang mag finance ng solar energy projects dun sa mga barrios na marami ng tao pero hindi pa ina-abot ng Meralco/Napocor, kung maraming tao pwede silang maningil kahit konti para naman bumalik yun puhunan sa ginastos nila. E sa Spratly, ilang lang ang tao?

Page, there is no such thing as free anymore. Kahit sa Germany hindi pwedeng libre yun solar energy na pinondohan ng Govt. Users gets incentive yes agree ako dun, kahit dito sa States may incentive ang users ng solar energy. ikaw na ang may sabi " THEIR GOV'T IS EVEN COMMERCIALIZING THE USE OF SOLAR POWER TO ALMOST ALL OF GERMANY! "
sir, commercializing means To apply methods of business to for profit so panong naging libre yun?

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He Visited the KIG already. :thumb:

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Armed Forces chief Gen. Generoso Senga tests the waters around Pagasa island during a weekend tour of its facilities and various development projects being implemented by the military’s Western Command.
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