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Ideal Aircraft station in Pag-asa island
Topic Started: Jul 26 2005, 07:00 PM (6,324 Views)
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The senators are afraid that any additional cent given to the AFP will not go to the troops for weapons, equipment and training.

It will allegedly go the same route as the Congressman's Pork and other funds allocated to Her Excellency's office - to be used merely for clandestine political spending. It will only be used to fund ops to spy on the Administration's rivals and to assassinate them or to rig the next polls.
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I'd go for MiG-29Ms and some SU-27s (STOL capabilities) and of course some SAMs scattered all over the place.
"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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Marschall
Jun 15 2006, 02:15 AM
I'd go for MiG-29Ms and some SU-27s (STOL capabilities) and of course some SAMs scattered all over the place.

su27 is way too old mig29m is better then su27
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yes it is a well known fact that pagsas island has amilitary base long before other islands within the spratlys has, it was constructed by the japanese during WW2. ideally, it is not suitable to base fighter planes at pagasa because it will send a wrong message to our neighbors that we are "militarizing" the area and may create some larger conflict. but we have to guard our islands against the other claimants especially the chicoms as well as reported "pirates". with this, this is my proposal:

for pagasa island base:

1. PC-7 STOL for utility/light transport aircraft
2. S-76 or Bell 412 helos for SAR/patrol/light attack
3. KingAir350ER STOL for maritime patrol
4. mobile short or medium range radars + communication
5. 20mm/40mm AA guns
6. improve runway of the base
7. improve overall faciltiy of the base
8. construct a pier and small naval base
9. assign 3 OPVs (like in the falklands)
10. construct coast watch stations manned by PCG
11. asssign 1 reinforced marine battalion
12. assign PAF airbase security contingent

for palawan base (to support spratly island):

1. assign small contingent of MRF
2. long range radars + communication
3. assign another 1 reinforced battalion of marines as reserve in case the spratlys needed additional troops if war arises
4. assign 1 naval group comprising 1 MRV, 2 OPVs 4 IPVs + logistic ships/LST

any other suggestions?
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My proposal would be: 6 MiG 29Ms on the Pag-asa island along with radar systems,mobile SAMs and a small naval base (with SSMs of course) and an additional 10 MiG-29Ms in Palawan, greater naval force and maybe also at least 12 F-20s
"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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Jun 16 2006, 08:56 PM
My proposal would be: 6 MiG 29Ms on the Pag-asa island along with radar systems,mobile SAMs and a small naval base (with SSMs of course) and an additional 10 MiG-29Ms in Palawan, greater naval force and maybe also at least 12 F-20s

hindi kaya masyadong agressive move etong proposal mo sir marschall? and does the MiG 29 has a STOL version? hindi kaya your sending the wrong message to our neighbors? baka lumaki lalo ang tension within this region...

can anybody look into my suggestion:


for pagasa island base:

1. PC-7 STOL for utility/light transport aircraft
2. S-76 or Bell 412 helos for SAR/patrol/light attack
3. KingAir350ER STOL for maritime patrol
4. mobile short or medium range radars + communication
5. 20mm/40mm AA guns
6. improve runway of the base
7. improve overall faciltiy of the base
8. construct a pier and small naval base
9. assign 3 OPVs (like in the falklands)
10. construct coast watch stations manned by PCG
11. asssign 1 reinforced marine battalion
12. assign PAF airbase security contingent

for palawan base (to support spratly island):

1. assign small contingent of MRF
2. long range radars + communication
3. assign another 1 reinforced battalion of marines as reserve in case the spratlys needed additional troops if war arises
4. assign 1 naval group comprising 1 MRV, 2 OPVs 4 IPVs + logistic ships/LST

:salute: just a point to ponder... peace to all :thumb:
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NEW Pag-Asa Satellite Pictures
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Central Portion of the Island
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Building areas 1
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i read in comrade Manokski's website that the PAF intended to base some of its F-8 Crusaders in Pagasa during its heyday. in fact, they had redesigned that landing strip into something similar to an aircraft carrier wherein F-8s will catch the arresting cables for them to land safely in Pagasa. :demon:

however, i beg to disagree to have combat aircraft based in Pagasa. doing so might spark a conflict among the nations that claim the Spratlys. the "safer" way to do things will be to have those combat aircraft based in Palawan (multi-role fighters, KC-130 aerial tankers and CN-235 or C-212 MPAs) while there will be regular flights of CN-235s and/or C-212s to and from Pagasa. :armywink:
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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As what ive been telling before. Even we are not going to put an Combat unit the first thing to do is

1. we must repair first the runway to cater Maritime Patrol Aircraft, C-130's (safety)and the runway must be extended to be able to land an MRF for future purposes (about 2500- 3500 ft extension).

2. Build a pier in the Island to give way to handle a bigger vessels to be stationed.
Plus possible detachment of the Philippine Coast Guard.

3. Then developed properly the area with descent equipments such as Coast Watch Station and Radar. No problem with civilian communication coz globe and smart has already installed a cellsites.

4. And lastly Build a defense system in the island.
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hindi kaya masyadong agressive move etong proposal mo sir marschall? and does the MiG 29 has a STOL version? hindi kaya your sending the wrong message to our neighbors? baka lumaki lalo ang tension within this region...


The Mig-29 is an aircraft that doesn't need a really long runway compared to other jets of its class...
Sending the wrong message??? Yes perhaps but the military peresence of all other claiming nations in the region-especially of China-isn't actually any different.
We would be just sending one message: KEEP OUT OF PHILIPPINE WATERS!!!
The MIGs wouldn't be there to attack any vessels beyond our borders--so why bother?!
I'm sure the Chinese will boost up their military presence there first because they actually rely on the mentalyity of other nations that try to avoid conflicts...

Maybe it's also be enough to station some smaller aircrafts on the island thouch--but Palawan has to have more MiGs and some F-20s/Gripens...

BTW I's propose every RP island in the region get some SAMs and some SSMs to protect them against any possible agressors...

"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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