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| Ideal Aircraft station in Pag-asa island | |
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| jammerjamesky | Jul 26 2005, 07:00 PM Post #1 |
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Its a idea but if you where a pilot to be stationed in Pag-asa island in spratly, what is your prefered aircraft? considering the short landing strip and climate of the area. |
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| knightshade | Jul 27 2005, 01:57 AM Post #2 |
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Is cost considered? If not, I'l opt for a harrier.. If yes, maybe choose some swedish STOL..
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| gemini1 | Jul 27 2005, 06:00 AM Post #3 |
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![]() PERFORMANCE GR7 and AV8-B Max Speed 660 mph (1,065 kph) at sea level, 600 mph (966 kph) at 36,000 ft. Tactical radius at Low Level with full bombload and 1 hour loiter is 103 miles. With Drop tanks, no loitre and 3,500 lb of bombs the combat radius is 553 miles (889 Km). With maximum external fuel tanks the ferry range is 2,015 miles, this can be extended with in-flight refueling using the built- in refueling probe which retracts when not in use. SEA HARRIER FA2 Max speed 720 mph (1,160 kph) at 1,000 ft (305m). 607 mph (977 kph) at 36,000 ft. Combat radius to intercept a high flying target is about 480 miles (750 km). It can stay on Combat Air Patrol (CAP) some 100 miles from its carrier for over 1.5 hours. On an attack mission with two Sea Eagle anti-ship missiles the radius of action would be 230 miles (370 Km). On the Sea Harrier the refueling probe is a bolt-on non-retracting device. ENGINES GR7 and AV-8B Rolls-Royce Pegasus 106 turbofan with vectored thrust giving 21,750 lb thrust. Sea Harrier FA2 Pegasus 106 giving 21,500 lb thrust. The Rolls-Royce Pegasus series started with the 101 used in the Harrier GR1 with 19,000 lb thrust. The Harrier GR1A used the Pegasus 102 with 20,500 lb. Then came the 103 used in the GR3 and AV-8A with 21,500 lb thrust. In this remarkable engine the turbojet drives additional fans at the front of the engine (hence making it at turbofan) whose thrust is fed via two vectored outlets to provide lift. Then the hot exhaust thrust of the turbojet itself is vectored via two rear outlets to add to the thrust of the first pair. This means the entire power of the engine can be used to provide lift. ARMAMENT GR Mk 7 The GR7 can carry up to 9,200 lb (4,173 Kg) of external stores on 9 pylons. Gun armanent consists of two 25mm cannon in ventral pods. Amongst the weapons carried by RAF Harriers are normal "iron " bombs, Laser Guided Bombs (LGBs), BL755 Cluster bombs, AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles ans unguided rockets in pods. A photo-reconnaissance pod can be carried on the centre-line pylon between the guns. AV-8B The USMC Harriers have only a single GAU-12 cannon in the port ventral pod with the ammunition for it fed from the starboard pod. There are only 7 pylons for weapons. Along with normal bomcs the CBU Cluster bomb family is a favorite weapon of USMC Harriers. Also used are unguided rockets and the Maverick air to surface missile. Like RAF Harriers they carry Sidewinder missile for self-defence. FA2 The Fleet Air Arm Sea Harrier can carry two ventral pods each with a 30 mm cannon. In place of these it can carry two of the new AIM-120 air-to-air missile under the fuselage, with another two AIM-120s under the wings, total complement of these formidable missiles is four. There are four pylons under the wings which can carry the following and of the weapons used by the RAF GR MK7 version plus Sea Eagle anti-ship missiles ans Alarm anti-radar missiles. In normal use two of these wing pylons would be taken up by fuel tanks. |
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| gemini1 | Jul 27 2005, 06:03 AM Post #4 |
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or maybe this one,![]() Yak-38 Forger Specifications Primary Function: Carrier-based attack aircraft Contractor: Yakolev Crew: One; two in Forger-B trainer Unit Cost: N/A Powerplant One Tumansky R-27V-300 turbojet and two RKBM RD-36-35FVR lift jets with 15,300 lb. of thrust Dimensions Length: 50.82 ft. (15.49 M) Wingspan: 24.02 ft. (7.32 M) Height: 14.34 ft. (4.37 M) Weights Empty: 16,499 lb. (7,484 Kg) Max Takeoff: 25,795 lb (11,700 Kg) Performance Speed: 655 mph (1,050 km/h) Ceiling: 39,375 ft Range: 416 miles (ferry) Armament One 30-mm cannon, four hardpoints for Atoll & Aphid AAMs, bombs, rocket pods, and gun pods. |
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| arvcab | Jul 27 2005, 10:37 AM Post #5 |
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Any STOL will be fine
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| maniegom | Jul 27 2005, 01:26 PM Post #6 |
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If funds were available though, you also have to consider constructing the needed facilities to be utilized for such aircraft even for short turn around tactical terms (i.e. hangars, ammo depots, fuel farm, Aircraft support equipment, refuelers and the like). Another is there any area around the island to construct a pier deep enough for a tanker or cargo ship to supply the needs of those stationed there? That is if such STOL were to become a reality? Can't always rely on Air replenishment now. Something to consider. |
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| israeli | Jul 27 2005, 01:57 PM Post #7 |
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actually, the Philippine Air Force planned to base F-8 Crusaders and OV-10 Broncos in Pagasa Island before. quoting our comrade Manokski:
but if given the chance to do so, i would love to see Harriers being based in Pagasa although i would rather invest in long-range MRFs such as the F-15E and the Su-30MK and long-range maritime surveillance aircraft such as the P-3 Orion and have them based in Palawan. |
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| flipzi | Jul 27 2005, 02:17 PM Post #8 |
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The Harriers are a proven VTOL aircraft. We should get these. But given the airstrips proximity to other islands occupied by other claimants, i'd rather put these expensive jets in Bautista AB and protect the base with SAMs. If that is the case then, id rather get the MRF instead of these VTOLs. Pag-asa airstrip? I would use it for tourism-related activites and rescue operations instead. Emergency landings for PAF assets near that area is also a good consideration. |
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| arvcab | Jul 27 2005, 03:18 PM Post #9 |
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Is the Philippines the only one with a runway-airbase in the spratley's?
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| knightshade | Jul 27 2005, 04:56 PM Post #10 |
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Havent heard of any aside from a permanent paved runway owned by the chinese on Woody Island...maybe there still more...
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If funds were available though, you also have to consider constructing the needed facilities to be utilized for such aircraft even for short turn around tactical terms (i.e. hangars, ammo depots, fuel farm, Aircraft support equipment, refuelers and the like). 

8:52 AM Jul 11