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| PAF Attack Helicopter Acquisition; news | discussions | updates | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 16 2004, 11:05 AM (246,702 Views) | |
| Guess? | Jul 16 2004, 11:05 AM Post #1 |
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Upgraded Hind gunship for COIN :thumb: 
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| aldon | Jul 16 2004, 11:34 AM Post #2 |
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(In line with Duminus's idea of scenarios, here's one of mine.) You are the commanding officer of your nation's Army (or Marines). A study of your Operations Department sees the need for the acquisition of attack helicopters to enhance the capability of the Corps in asymmetrical warfare. Congress has approved your request and a modest budget has been appropriated. What is your choice? and why? |
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| Banahaw | Jul 16 2004, 11:45 AM Post #3 |
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Ill be back to post a more detailed opinion but off the top of my head Super Cobras |
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| israeli | Jul 16 2004, 06:22 PM Post #4 |
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the Mi-24 Hind is surely one of the best close air support platforms in the world in its own right. however, i would still stick to the MG520 Defender attack helicopters that are now in service with the Philippine Air Force. the MG520s gave excellent service to the PAF as a close air support aircraft and counter insurgency platform. the best suggestion that i can give is for the Philippine Air Force to upgrade all of its remaining MG520s and bring the total number of MG520s in service between 36 and 40 helicopters by purchasing additional MG520s from Mesa, Arizona-based MD Helicopters... peace. ;) |
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| Amateur General | Jul 16 2004, 06:25 PM Post #5 |
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The budget is modest Banahaw so Super Cobras are out - ;) This is my proposal for a rapidly deployable independent airmobile regiment applicable to Aldon's scenario: A regiment composed of 3 BNs with squadron of 8 AH-1 Cobra or Tiger HAP attack helos for each BN in the regiment. For my Utility/Transport Helicopter(s) I'd go for a mix of two different helicopter to fulfil two distinct roles. Firstly, I'd buy a couple of squadrons of Lynx BLUH (or Battlefield Light Utility Helicopter) to move Helicopter Support/Ground Crews plus small specialised units (such as Forward Air Controllers, Forward Observation Parties, Sniper teams, etc) around the battlefield.) For general transport duties, I'd go for a (relatively) cheap, big bird.... i.e. the ubiquituous CH-47D/F Chinook! It can carry a platoon plus supporting arms (SF MGs, AT Teams, Mortars, etc), or 2x TUMs (Land Rovers), or a 105mm LIght Gun or 10 tonnes of cargo!! The British Army love them, and I'm not about to argue with that! I'd simply buy as many as I could afford, but I'd be looking to at least enough to move a Battalion in one lift - say, 12 or more CH-47s. Ideally, I'd like a battalion/regiment of light artillery based on the RO L118 (M119 in US Army) with at least 6 barrels for each Infantry Battalion. However, if my budget is tight, then I'd add a 120mm Mortar platoon to each Infantry Battalion. TO&E Preferred: 3x Infantry Battalions 1x Attack Helicopter Bn 24x Cobra/Tiger Attack Helicopters 1x Utility Helicopter Bn 16x Lynx BLUH 12+ CH-47D Chinook 1x Artillery Bn 18x L118 105mm LIght Guns Minimum: 3x Infantry Battalions 18x 120mm Mortars 1x Attack Helicopter Bn 12x Cobra/Tigers 1x Utility Helicopter Bn 8x Lynx BLUH 9x CH-47D Chinook |
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| Guest | Jul 16 2004, 06:31 PM Post #6 |
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Still a squadron of 8x heavy gunship like the Hind isn't bad at all. Parts for the Hind are as ubiquitous as Aling Nena's bibingka. 
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| spraret | Jul 17 2004, 08:56 AM Post #7 |
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Good TO&E Amateur General but the Tiger HAP is still an expensive helo. If we could wring out a few AH-1 Cobras from the US the better, if not, I would go for Mi-24s and Mi-8s or even the Rooivalk. |
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| Numbers | Jul 17 2004, 10:57 AM Post #8 |
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Personally, a dedicated helo transported regiment is too big (and expensive) for Philippine operations. I would like to see a single Army Air Raider TF for quick strike operations against known enemy encampments and concentrations. 4 light infantry companies transported into the LZ by 14 Mi-8s or Mi-17s 6 AH-1 Cobras or 6 Mi-24 Hinds attack helos 4 MD520s for general recon/FAC/secondary CAS 1 Security and maintenance company 1 Special operations platoon 1 Intel coordination platoon |
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| Seventeener | Jul 17 2004, 11:57 AM Post #9 |
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made in china helicopters are easily broken its best we buy american equipment |
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| joojump | Jul 22 2004, 09:15 PM Post #10 |
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if im not wrong that helicopter is made in russia |
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