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Just a thought: PN Semi-Submersible --unarmed
Topic Started: Jun 11 2005, 08:08 PM (2,414 Views)
israeli
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how many of these floating drydocks are in service with the Philippine Navy? does the PN have land-based docks where PN vessels can undergo maintenance checks or is the PN totally dependent on these floating drydocks?

about the "new LSTs" that are to be built in Cebu, is the design of these "LSTs" based on the World War II-era LSTs of the PN or on a more different design? :armysmile:
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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israeli
Jun 12 2005, 10:11 PM
how many of these floating drydocks are in service with the Philippine Navy? does the PN have land-based docks where PN vessels can undergo maintenance checks or is the PN totally dependent on these floating drydocks?

about the "new LSTs" that are to be built in Cebu, is the design of these "LSTs" based on the World War II-era LSTs of the PN or on a more different design? :armysmile:

israeli,

Regarding the PN AFDL's:
Um, there's this nice link kindly provided by Manolet just a few posts up.
Try clicking on it.

Regarding the purported LST's:
While this forum doesn't have a search function worth dried spit...
(And oh yea, you betcha I doth protest!!! Verily pa.) I recall two threads here
(and a couple threads more on the other, disabled board)
where those LST's were discussed recursively.


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israeli
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thanks horge. :armysmile:
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horge
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I hope Manolet spots this... as I have a question for him.

The Philippines accepted two AFDL-1's (USN hull number 20 in 1980, and number 10 in 1987) plus two AFDL-35's (USN hull number 44 in 1980 and number 40 in 1990).

Any idea just what exactly went wrong with the AFDL-35's?
Your site indicates they're inactive.

Thanks,

horge
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horge
Jun 28 2005, 10:30 PM
I hope Manolet spots this... as I have a question for him.

The Philippines accepted two AFDL-1's (USN hull number 20 in 1980, and number 10 in 1987) plus two AFDL-35's (USN hull number 44 in 1980 and number 40 in 1990).

Any idea just what exactly went wrong with the AFDL-35's?
Your site indicates they're inactive.

Thanks,

horge

AFAIK, they were scrapped. One of them was scrapped together with one of the Barnegats. Too far gone is my guess. The AFDL-1s are in better condition.
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Here is an aerial view of Sangley Point and Fort San Felipe:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manila&ll=14...07502&t=k&hl=en

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manila&ll=14...15003&t=k&hl=en

This view shows the beaching area with the LSTs right and one of the docks in the center.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manila&ll=14...07502&t=k&hl=en

http://home.comcast.net/~manokski/lst.htm[/URL]

Across the water, is a view of Fort San Felipe, the largest Military Industrial facility in the Philippines. It shows the bulk of the Philippine Fleet including three drydocks on the right which all have ships in them.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manila&ll=14...07502&t=k&hl=en

Aerial view of one of the PNs LSVs (you have to zoom in) at Sangley

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manila&ll=14...07502&t=k&hl=en

More info on the LSVs are found in the old ORbat site:

http://home.comcast.net/~manokski/

Someone up above is obviously keeping tabs on certain areas.
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Do you have any idea when these sat pics were taken?

The LSTs are clearly visible at the Vardadero de Manila area, along with the derelict PAF a/c on its side; some NAG a/c can also be seen in said vicinity.

The LSV is visibly docked at the Ready Force area, with PCFs at its port side.

I see only 2 PAF a/c in the flight line, most likely MGs.

What appears to be a PCE is docked at the Yutadco pier at FSF;TK 90 and possibly the remains of PF7 near the shipyards area- hmm so this sat pic may be over 2 years old, if that is the remains of PF 7 beside TK 90...
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If you're still monitoring this forum, Manolet,
Any truth to rumors that the PN has no shipshape AFDL's left?
That it is going to rely completely on landward drydocks?
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sir h, what is AFDL? :armysmile:
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Sir Frenzy :armysmile:
Auxiliary Floating Drydock (Light)

Manoks earlier provided a link to pics on his website:
http://www.hueybravo.net/NavyPages/afdl1drydock.htm

Actually, our Bacolod (Frank Besson) class LSV also has a quasi-FD configuration,
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/lsv/
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meaning it (the SSV configuration) can submerge partially.

The ability to design-build larger floating drydocks allows a yard to explore
building "baby" assault ships: just add a helo deck and hangar on top of the
dock walls, troop space under that, and cram the cradle with RHIBS or LC's
and amphibious armor. Lots of other possibilities from there.

Not a whole lot of technological challenge involved, and the PN has been
doing the same sort of jury-rigging on its aging LST's for decades.

:ssalute:
horge


PS: My interest in this vessel class is exceeded only by that towards seeing old
commercial merchant hulls converted to camouflaged OPV's: ships that look like
fishing or research vessels, but are actually fully armed, long-endurance OPV's.
(Sure, it goes against signed conventions, but everyone else is doing it, hehe)
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