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Just a thought: PN Semi-Submersible --unarmed
Topic Started: Jun 11 2005, 08:08 PM (2,413 Views)
horge
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Just an angle that hasn't been mentioned:

The Philippine Navy has been increasing the number of ships in active service...
But the PN's ability to service ships is restricted by its drydock capability, and regular service is key to getting the most service life out of any ship ---especially brand-new ones.

Floating drydocks provide quick turnaround in the course of maintenance.

Floating dry docks are essentially very large floating cradles -- they submerge partially to get 'under' a ship, then float to raise said ship completely out of the water for repairs/maintenance.

The vessel-type's usefulness is attested to by the heavy usage the PN puts it to in the present day, although the size of vessel servicable is naturally restricted by the size of the floating drydock. Certainly, if the PN concentrates first on increasing the number of its smaller surface assets, they can resort to conventional shipyard drydocks for the added servicing load, albeit with longer turnaround.

When the PN embarks on obtaining more and more medium size vessels, additional floating-drydock capacity is going to be extremely useful. Their construction is straightforward and involves no sensitive technology that foreign interests can deny us. As an aside, experience in building a floating dry dock is valuable towards any possible intention to eventually build true submersibles for the PN.

Just a thought.

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Interesting, never thought about it. Not usually a navy person, but this could be a valuable asset.
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Jun 11 2005, 09:43 PM
Interesting, never thought about it. Not usually a navy person, but this could be a valuable asset.

Here's some info...

http://www.hueybravo.net/NavyPages/afdl1drydock.htm
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Jun 11 2005, 08:08 PM
Just an angle that hasn't been mentioned:

The Philippine Navy has been increasing the number of ships in active service...
But the PN's ability to service ships is restricted by its drydock capability, and regular service is key to getting the most service life out of any ship ---especially brand-new ones.

Floating drydocks provide quick turnaround in the course of maintenance, and avoid the hassle of bidding the work out to private contractors ---vulnerable to corruption and delays.

Floating dry docks are essentially very large floating cradles -- they submerge partially to get 'under' a ship, then float to raise said ship completely out of the water for repairs/maintenance.

The vessel-type's usefulness is attested to by the heavy usage the PN puts it to in the present day, although the size of vessel servicable is naturally restricted by the size of the floating drydock. Certainly, if the PN concentrates first on increasing the number of its smaller surface assets, they can resort to conventional shipyard drydocks for the added servicing load, albeit with longer turnaround.

When the PN embarks on obtaining more and more medium size vessels, additional floating-drydock capacity is going to be extremely useful. Their construction is straightforward and involves no sensitive technology that foreign interests can deny us. As an aside, experience in building a floating dry dock is valuable towards any possible intention to eventually build true submersibles for the PN.

Just a thought.

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My sentiments exactly!

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1.) F.F. Cruz shipyard in Iloilo has a floating drydock, and they built it themselves

2.) The BRP Humabon is undergoing repair right now

3.) A big warship will be built soon in ----
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A big warship will be built soon in ----



Is this true? what kind of ship? destroyer, frigate, or corvette? and for whom? for the PN?
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sensitive news will not be announced until after the fact..there are complications...when the time is ripe you will read it in the newspapers anyway....

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It is not difficult to build a floating drydock, you only need to calculate the weights and stability issues and it can be fashioned of sectioned pontoons or a modified barge. You need provision for the pressurized air and water pumps.

Dock facilities is the least of your problems to service naval ships. Its the machining, fabrication, electronics, navigation and weapon systems servicing equipment. Lastly, the funding to run a dock repair facility.
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spoiler: LST to be built in Cebu. Negotiations currently ongoing.
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Manokski,

Your new site is looking better and better :thumb:
Thanks for linking to it.


Fish,
Heheh. :armycool:
One 'impediment' at a time.
I was trying to ease certain newer members of the forum into reality,
that it's not a simple matter to just go out and BUY big shiny ships.
As for older members who still cling to rah-rah boilerplate...
grasping merely (and only after great difficulty and debate) the funding issue,
and reducing it to a cry of 'corruption'.... *sigh*

Building new ships is one thing, but the realization that we haven't the
cax for operation and maintenance means that more and more old ships
will be reactivated. That means demand for drydock time and space will go up,
hence this thread's 'angle'.


Fallen Angel,
Known as far back as Q4 of 2003.... (IIRC, and thanks to Manokski et. al.)
the plan to build 6 LST's locally is AFAIK in a sort of technical limbo,
as it has been folded into a much larger US-backed plan for AFP rationalization.
It is the latter, bigger plan that is "under negotiation".

From what little I can see, the US is technically NOT paying for half of cost.
It is merely underwriting, or guaranteeing half of the loans that we will have to
take out to pursue the various projects. To wit, if we were to someow default on
loan repayments, the US would pay the balance (up to half the total loan),
and could then take possession of half of the finished and unfinished articles
(the banks taking the other half)... though even then, the US could lease out
the articles (or rather its half of them) to us, at perhaps very agreeable prices


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