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Cali-Pinto; From Jane's Defence Weekly 2 Nov 1985
Topic Started: Jun 4 2005, 06:35 PM (4,615 Views)
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The Cali (Super Pinto) powered by a J85 can fly as fast as 550mph(885 kph)....This is much faster than the AS211 at 404knots (464mph)...

How do u know if the aircraft is a subsonic and transonic? I know Transonic is faster than Subsonic. But supersonic is faster than transonic speed.

I don't think PAF can consider the Gripen for Supersonic MRF...Why not wait a few years to acquire the AT50 Golden Eagle. For sure, PAF will consider it for as a Tactical Fighter Aircraft or Light MRF....Same as our F5 wherein it took the role as Tactical Fighter Interceptor.

As for the Hummingbird, I don't think we can License produced it again since all the plans, designs, tools and jigs were destroyed as per German manufacturer ordered and threatens to sue us....
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The Gripen reaches Mach 2 as compared to the Golden Eagle which only reaches Mach 1 plus and is more of a light attack aircraft. This is just my opinion, but even if we just invest in the early Gripens which the Swedes are already starting to replace with updated models this 2005, not only are we saving a bit more yet are also acquiring 4th generation models which is already cutting edge for our pilots, maintenance and support. And it being a 4th generation machine means it is more open to upgrades as opposed to 2nd and 3rd generation models which have issues despite what success may have been made on them upgrading.

What I propose is a gradual evolvement of the Cali to what could truly be compatible with the Gripen, in this case. By the time our pilots and personnel become proficient with the Gripen, not only have we mastered the design and production of the original Cali but may have already made notes on how to re-engineer it to operate with the Gripen. We thus save more as we have leapt two generations ahead. And we get to tailor fit too the Gripen to how we want it to be and not what the manufacturer just says so. This way too, the Cali is improved to a true LCA instead of just being a reconfigured trainer jet. With the experience our local aviation pool has we can easily overtake Korea again with just the proper support. Heck, if our pool of aviation personnel could easily fix sophisticated aircraft with minimal training what more in designing and maintaing our own designs. Even now on the last inventors display we have a working prototype of an electric car for what may be a production model for the local market. Hybrids and other designs too that although not as highlighted as Japan's tech shows still exhibit the same degree of ingenuity. Imagine if more support is poured on those designs.

I've been checking up on the MBB Bo 105 and it is indeed a good helicopter. A good choice for anti-tank and naval use. Not only is it equipped with two engines it having rigid rotors means it could tolerate negative Gs which most other helicopters cannot do. This simply means it could pop up and down faster. The late captain who designed the Defiant and Hummingbird must be one heck of an engineer. But as also an engineer by training, I opine that he must've fallen to the similar pit that engineers commonly not notice. And that is the marketing ingredient. The design for the Hummingbird is excellent as the Bo 105 is quite expensive (that's why we only got a few of those) but has much potential. If we could create a copy of it quite well think of how easy it is for us to produce license copies of it. That would mean cheaper and more capable replacement for most of PAFs helicopters. And with an engineer and his team capable of churning out more designs we could very well replace our entire helicopter units with just one and its variants. Think of the savings that would mean and equate the impressive performance of the Bo 105 compared to non rigid rotors. The sad note is that the government has decided not to support and properly advice him and has instead kowtowed to foreign powers. If that was just labeled as a design piece purely for research and studies and nothing more the makers of Bo 105 wouldn't have reacted that much. And followed it up with a negotiated deal to produce it locally we therefore missed again on something good due to inept and brain-damaged officials.
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What amazes me is that our official exhibit the talent to fix that Bo 105 situation back then. We do not need to resort to China and Taiwan's previous actions of disregarding those suits. Even Japan suffered such threats before and now South Korea is equally feeling it at times. If those moronic officials could use their Satan-given talents to "fix" problems locally they should've done so too with foreigners.

This is OT but as my report has a long way to go before it gets finished I just want to voice my opinion as to why I pick the Gripen A and B. One, its getting replaced now with a more capable model. Two, A and B are upgradable to current latest model and even further with little problems as compared to 2nd or 3rd generation models. Three, the Swedes may want to dispose of this old models so that they can stockpile instead the new variants. So there is a possibility we could get it cheaper as opposed to the new models. Four, we need something which is easy to support with our current logistics and funding. Five, if reports are true and Thailand has selected Gripens then we have another ASEAN ally which we can share ideas and experiences with. Six, we do need something that could give more capability than the Gripen but that would require more funding and time. And what will assist that more capable MRF which is certainly more expensive? Again, the Cali and Gripen combination is the answer. Considering what the F16 Block 60 has been able to do (since its a 4th generation machine as opposed to the earlier F16s which is a generation behind) we could duplicate that too with the Gripen. Thus, answer the questions for a more capable MRF much faster. And the Cali taking up the space the Gripen has left. Thus both evolved and replaced what was vacated much faster. And investing on improving current engine designs like what the Swedes did with the Gripen's engine would also help cut costs further.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

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If ever we are to produce the Pinto, I would like the combat variant to follow the same route as the Cessna A37 Tweet.

We can re-engine it and give it those sponge-type fuel tanks they use don the A10. Add armor to the airframe and the cockpit. We can also reinforce the wings to allow it to carry more payloads. It will also be nice if it can carry an internal gun preferably a 20mm or a .50 cal vulcan plus a few sidewinders or even stingers should it have to engage enemy aircarft.

I would like to turn the combat variant into a COIN attack jet much like the A37 Dragonfly. The Dragonfly is another what-might-have-been for the PAF I would like to add aside from the Hawker Hunter.

Hunters would have still be in service with us either as attack jets or trainers if we bought them in the 60s. They had hardy highly upgradable airframes.

As for what transonics are, these would be jets that can break the sound barrier only when flying through shallow dives. Examples would be the F86 Sabre and the MiG17
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question. how come the Philippines did not receive surplus A-37 Dragonfly trainer and ground attack aircraft from the US when Latin American countries such as Colombia, Peru, Chile, Ecuador and El Salvador received many dole-out Dragonflies? :devilwink:
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Probably, the PAF did not see the need for a COIN then when it was available for export. Then the role could easily be played by T28s and F5s.

Also, in terms of economics, it would be cheaper to operate and maintain prop-driven aircraft and helicopters in a long-term COIN campaign than jet-propelled aircraft.
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Equipment Specifications

Year 1958
Manufacturer TEMCO
Model SUPER PINTO
Price Call
Location Parker, Colorado
Condition USED
Serial Number 13
Registration Number 13PJ
Total Time 1370 Hours
Overhaul 770 SNEW
Number Of Seats 2

General Information
This completely restored Temco Super Pinto Jet is in absoluely perfect condition.

Detailed Description
It is #13 of 14 manufactured. It offers incredible performance with it's General Electric J-85-17A which produces 2850lbs of thrust! Paired with a 3000lb airframe, you will see awesome rates of climb up to 10,000 ft per minute with only 500 ft of take-off roll! That's F-16 type numbers! At 20,000 ft you will indicate 375kts at 140 gallons/hr of Jet A. This plane will outperform most, if not all current military trainers in the US general aviation fleet today.

Owner will consider all reasonable offers, including partial trades for a piston twin aircraft, plus cash.


Modifications/Conversions:
Completely restored in 2001
Wings were restored and restructured to facilitate new tip tank fuel system
New fuel bladders
New fuel shut-off valves
New fuel filters
New fuel lines
New battery system installed - 6-gell cell 8GU-1 in series
New relays (3) added to control auto-ignition system
Cockpit seat ejection rails restored
Electric trim system (aileron & elevator) removed, cleaned, relubed and reinstalled
Oxygen sysytem including bottle and regulator reworked, tested and reinstalled
Installed heater diffuser system
New canopy installed
Completely stripped, corrision treated and repainted to original military colors
New Cleveland 10-88 brake system installedAvionics/Radios:
Garmin GNS 250XL GPS/COM
Garmin GTX 327 Transponder
Miniflow Fuel Management SystemYear Painted:
2001Exterior:
Completely stripped, corrision treated and repainted to original military colorsYear Interior:
2001Inspection Status:
Annual Inspection to be completed November 2007

http://www.controller.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1127673
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question. how come the Philippines did not receive surplus A-37 Dragonfly trainer and ground attack aircraft from the US when Latin American countries such as Colombia, Peru, Chile, Ecuador and El Salvador received many dole-out Dragonflies? :devilwink:

Better if we get 20-24 A-37 from AMARC, they still had airworthy dragonfly there.
because it was proven in battles in Vietnam , even it is old, this plane is quite younger than our Mighty OV-10,

let's call on our diplomat or even Sec. Teodoro, to ask our American friends in giving us some A-37, badly needed natin kasi ito if we needed to reduced the Neps strength & our OV-10s dwindling numbers. or even decomission the SF-260 as Coin role.

Colombians still use their A-37, but will due retire them not due for lack spares & fatigue, but, they had AT-29 to fill the role. Other Latin American countries like Peru, still uses the dragonfly whom are in good flying condition.

About the Cali-Pinto: I'll hoped na sana ma-revive, sayang kasi ang opportunity if it all end up in trash can. magandang Coin flatform din ito. :salute:
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more pics/info here:
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Has images of the Cali on display.
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