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| Cali-Pinto; From Jane's Defence Weekly 2 Nov 1985 | |
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| spiderweb6969 | Jun 4 2005, 06:35 PM Post #1 |
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I just found these articles from my collections of Jane's Defence Weekly dated 2 Nov 1985 while looking for old magazine to read (actuaally re-read). It says when the Philippines government bought the Pinto design at a cost of $1.25 million, it obtained a prototype, an additional fuselage, drawings, reports, patent, working papers and flight test data and process sheets for manufacture as well as exclusive rights to market military and commercial versions throughout the world.
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| flipzi | Jun 4 2005, 06:47 PM Post #2 |
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The Cali-Pinto should inspire the current and the succeeding leaders of the AFP to revive this project. The govt should support this endeavor so that, hopefully, in the next 10 to 20 years, we will be exporting aircrafts created from our own ingenuity. Sweden, Israel, Indonesia have done it. WE CAN ... BUT WHY SHOULDNT WE? As far as i can remember it was corruption also why the Cali-Pinto project failed to take off. |
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| Manokski | Jun 5 2005, 12:35 AM Post #3 |
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Wouldve been a nice project. Everything is still around though, the jigs, the plans etc. Last I heard, even the prototype is still around but the PAF was trying to sell it. Too bad. More "what ifs on this page", the old Orbat site. http://home.comcast.net/~manokski/mighthaveb.htm |
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Manokski's ORBAT www.HueyBravo.net Manokski's Orbat | |
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| israeli | Jun 5 2005, 09:23 AM Post #4 |
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damn! the Philippine Air Force could have SAVED a lot of money if the Cali-Pinto project pushed through, thanks to corruption in the system and the corrupted thinking of our military planners. ![]() Manokski: comrade, the Air Force "Might Have Been" page is perhaps one of the most interesting pages in the old ORBAT site. i hope that you will be able to make it part of the new ORBAT site. also, i'm wondering if you can add a Navy, Marines and Army "Might Have Beens".
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| 21Scorpio | Jun 7 2005, 10:53 AM Post #5 |
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Indeed very disgusting! had the cali-pinto project was continued by now we could be technically better maybe we are already making prototypes for more capable aircrafts. Look at China and taiwan look at what they got Taiwan has the improved IDF fighters and China is bragging their J-10 multi-role aircraft. and to mind you the Filipinos have even started earlier too bad we had very shortsighted national and military leaders who all think that buying is better and will save money for the country. They dont want to spend for R&D because they say there are already ready made for all that we desire. These approach does not make the philippines forward but backward. the old design and avionics of the cali-pinto may now be obsolete but these can be upgraded. Time is running we are being left behind we must catch up revive "CALI-PINTO PROJECT" |
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| City Hunter | Jun 25 2005, 10:06 PM Post #6 |
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Not exactly obsolete. Avionics are easily upgradable as long as tech and money is available. Upgrades done on modern aircrafts and even other vehicles is mostly by electronics nowadays. Noticed that high end cars nowadays feature a lot of electronic goodies that may be optionally fit. Same goes with aircrafts. Bombarding at present some of our senators with this link. Hope the message gets across. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| City Hunter | Dec 4 2005, 10:05 AM Post #7 |
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Mga peeps, Could anyone update me on the last word about our Cali and F5Bs? What was the specs of the Cali compared to the Super Pinto. And how many F5Bs did we have in service. Was it just 3 or were any added later. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| City Hunter | Dec 4 2005, 11:32 AM Post #8 |
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Add ko pa. Including the Defiant. Pix very much appreciated. I'm factoring these to the said report I'm working on. As of now, I have to update my draft as you guys are providing new infos. Like those cheap F16s that we might avail of. Need to research pa on their specs and capabilities. What about those from the former Iron Curtain? Yun sa Myanmar ba sold off their MiG 29s na ba? |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| el_commandante | Dec 4 2005, 02:30 PM Post #9 |
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Cityhunter ano ba pinagkaiba ng aeronautics engineering sa aerospace engineering? Is there a local university that offer a course in aerospace engineering? |
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| City Hunter | Dec 4 2005, 04:34 PM Post #10 |
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Sir el commandante, yun sa school namin kasi aeronautical engineering lang when I was still studying. Its about everything on designing and making an aircraft na atmosphere based. Kasama yun navigation basics. Mga 5 year course. (Well, Isabel Granada took it up and was said to have finished the course). Blank ako sa aerospace engineering as of now kaya di ko muna sagutan. Ask around and research ko muna. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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