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Royal Thai Navy and Philippine Naval cooperation?; considered?
Topic Started: May 30 2005, 12:53 PM (8,095 Views)
SIRIKITTONG
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seWer Rat
Jun 4 2005, 04:33 PM
so sg after all almost experienced combat during the vietnamese invasion of cambodia, why the joint patrols? i cannot believe the proud and independent thais asking for assistance from singa troops to patrol their borders, can you clarify this sirikittong?

lol. Singapore and Thailand are very close friends and very active trading partners as well as culturally similar to Thailand. We both are strongly buddhist nations, no? Whereas our sourroundings are primarily hostile muslim Malaysians adn Indonesians. So for me to continue and argue with Singa Lion would be illogical, considering that the Thai navy particularly maintains warm relations woth the SGN, as an officer of His Majesty's Royal Navy, it would be out of my character and my duty to do so; we are expected to behave and partake as the vestige of His Majesty as his very spirit transcends to all corners of the military in the safeguarding and uplifting the state of the Kingdom.

During the 1975 Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, Thailand was cought unprepared for a full flung Vietnamese thrust into deep central South East Asia and one has to remember that four centuries, Cambodia and Laos was a vassal state (royal territorial tributatary states) of the Ayuthayan/Siamese Empire. For Vietnam to have complete take over in Cambodia and Laos (which it did) was of our shock. Our forces were scrambled to the area of interest (border between Cambodia and Thailand) and yes there were firing between both sides, but no real full scale conflict. United States was the primary military giver and security provider for the time and it was the Royal Thai Army that saved the day. I have never heard of Singapore ever helping in our northern provinces in combat duty. Probably for surveillance volunteering etc. Our army has never had a foreign army take combat dutyon our soil. We never allowed the United States to do it (besides bombing Vietnam); what makes you think the RTAF would allow Singapore to do so? Singapore was nothing to us back then, a mere island with its own problems with Malaysian ultranationalism and solidtarianism.

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This is how we deal with muslim extremism..we were less benevolent with the Vietnamese in 75'.

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My regards to my Philippine friends! Im hoping for a fast recovery for your beautiful country! Chai Yo!
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SIRIKITTONG
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Jun 4 2005, 08:51 PM
That was supposed to be hush hush, but it was so long ago that the info leaked out.

The purpose for the patrol was to let SG soldiers to be familiar to the border area.

At that time, the Viets was the most powerful army in SEA with almost a thousand MBTs, arty and also a lot of Mig-21s with almost a million battle hardered soldier etc, the Thai at the time even in term of number as well as asset still lose out to the Viet greatly.And there were a large Soviet naval Vietnam, so no one at that time would know what would the Viet communist (with Soviet backing) do after Cambodia.

In fact , it started some kind of arms buying fenzy in the region, the Thai, SG, MY and Indon started to get more tanks,APC, a/c etc

I believe if Vietnam ever push down southward, I think the ASEAN would turn from economical entity to a more or less military alliances.

Yes you are completely correct. Vietnam was superior to all other countries in ASEAN at the time; they defeated the Americans, French and the Chinese. However, the Chinese incursions in Vietnam heavily damaged Vietnam and its northern provinces and wiped out any small demographic growth as well as hampered economic growth.

Right now, Vietnam, like Laos are the only communist powers in ASEAN. But they are slowly opening to trade and pure capitalism. Laos as an example is a vietnamese buffer state, but Laos' largest importer/exporter and trading partner is Thailand, consumption of Thai products, electronics, entertainment etc is heavy in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Malaysia, Bangladesh etc. So as you see, we will not see a military conflict in mainland south east asia as Thailand, Vietnam, laos, cambodia and even burma are experiencing solidarity. Peace and economic development is stressed. With China booming as it is, it is only common sense to boom with it and not be left behind by the chinese.


War is only necessary out of desperation and right now, ASEAN is healthy, all experiencing economic growth. It would be political as well as militarily suicide to have war in our region because of our proximity to each other. Not good, politically, socially, economically and environmentally.
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SIRIKITTONG
Jun 4 2005, 10:06 PM
United States was the primary military giver and security provider for the time and it was the Royal Thai Army that saved the day. I have never heard of Singapore ever helping in our northern provinces in combat duty. Probably for surveillance volunteering etc. Our army has never had a foreign army take combat dutyon our soil. We never allowed the United States to do it (besides bombing Vietnam); what makes you think the RTAF would allow Singapore to do so? Singapore was nothing to us back then, a mere island with its own problems with Malaysian ultranationalism and solidtarianism.

SAF soldiers were there to get familiar to the area there, if they have spotted any incursion or fighting, they were to report back and pulled back , Thai soldiers would then take over the situation.

As I said, if the Viet started to invaded Thailand, SG would then have to send forces to support in whatever way we could, becos it is logical for us to do so, only a combined forces of some regional countries could we beat the overwhelming superiority of the Viet army.If the Viet army manage to go straight down to Malaysia penisular, it will be too late for us.

As for Malaysia, they were never then and still not a threat to SG :armygrin:

By the mid 70s, we already have 4 sqn of fighters,(38 Hunter + 40 SkyHawk), and for the army ,we at that time already have at least 200~300 AMX-13 + 250 V150/200s + M113s, at the time MAF dun even have a proper armoured force, so totally not a threat to SG at all!!!

You should read abt how fast SG build up armed forces since independence. :armyroleyes:
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Also sir, you have to keep in mind that Vietnam was in no condition to threaten us during the late 70s and 80s because after teh Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, which liberated Phomh Penh from the Khmer Rouge, China (an ally of Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge Regime) invaded Vietnam and started the Sino-Vietnamese War, which resulted in the PLA taking 10 northern vietnamese provinces, which were lated given back. The Chinese 'punish vietnam' campaign destroyed and ruined Vietnamese demographic growth since the end of the Vietnamese-American hostilities. So as you can see, Vietnam was not even a threat to the Royal Thai Armed Forces; but it was China.


The "invasion" of Vietnam was in 1979 as soon as the Vietnamese beat the Khmer Rouge and yet Vietnam stayed in Cambodia for years after. The "invasion" was barely a threat. And you forget the cross border raids by both Thailand and Vietnam during the 1980s in Cambodia and the RTAF strike missions into Cambodia during the same time frame. And of course there was Vietnam's ally Laos having border issues with Thailand.

The "invasion" did not weaken the Vietnamese army or air force. Vietnam and Thailand clashed during the 1980s.

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China's invasion and China's cozying up with Cambodia was seen by the Royal Thai naval command as a slap to the face as well as a threat; hence our naval growth.


Slap in the face? Thailand and China both cozyed up with Cambodian guerillas using Thailand as a platform to launch raids into Vietnam occupied Cambodia.
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SIRIKITTONG
Jun 4 2005, 02:21 PM
I am very sure that we Thais could learn A GREAT DEAL from our Philippine counterparts, as you guys are FAR MORE experienced in fighting the muslim extremist problem. And I am sure we can teach you soem things in the naval point of view.



That's a great idea. :specool: We can learn from each other and exchange views regarding military matters. As far military is concerned, your Navy has improved too much since THAIS are very much concerned about Muslim neighbors that pose a great threat to Thailand.

Your Knox class Frigate are awesome. Is it fully armed when your acquire the Knox class or the Thai Navy chooses the weapons on board?? Peace to all.
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Jun 5 2005, 02:10 AM
You should read abt how fast SG build up armed forces since independence. :armyroleyes:

Can you please post some History on how Singapore build up rapidly their Armed Forces in such a short span of time.
Singapore war equipment had already exceeded their defense requirement and your country is purchasing more like Rafale and La fayette.

Singapore Armed forces are focusing on High Technology and most of your equipment are varied and advanced.

Do you think the reason for your armed forces in desiring High Technology in war equipment is LACK OF MANPOWER?? Peace to all.
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edwin
Jun 5 2005, 05:48 AM
gary1910
Jun 5 2005, 02:10 AM
You should read abt how fast SG build up armed forces since independence. :armyroleyes:

Can you please post some History on how Singapore build up rapidly their Armed Forces in such a short span of time.
Singapore war equipment had already exceeded their defense requirement and your country is purchasing more like Rafale and La fayette.

Singapore Armed forces are focusing on High Technology and most of your equipment are varied and advanced.

Do you think the reason for your armed forces in desiring High Technology in war equipment is LACK OF MANPOWER?? Peace to all.

According to the book "Arming the Singapore Armed Forces - Trends and Implications" by Bilveer Singh (Canberra Papers on Strategy and Defence No. 153)

-Given Singapore's complete lack of natural resources or large population, it would be economically unfeasible and suicidal to maintain a vast core of competent full-time armed defence forces. Thus, the SAF was formed in 1967 as a citizen army, drawing male conscripts from population to defend their country. National Service was deemed the only viable solution to sustain a credible defence force yet, at the same time, free up young men to power the economy. -
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To me threat works better for us, because Malaysia's undisguised threat to turn off water supply to Singapore on the very 1st day of it's independence reinforced Singapore's paranoid sense of insecurity. Being small and looked down by other neighbouring countries also help. Thanks to "Threat" we are what we are now. Malaysia is in a buying spree, why? Bacause they have problem with all it's neighbour. Malaysia Armed Forces might end up like Singapore.
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well, at least you Singaporeans know how to protect your country's interests by having a well-equipped military, unlike the Philippines... :drunk: :demon:
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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Jun 5 2005, 09:47 AM
well, at least you Singaporeans know how to protect your country's interests by having a well-equipped military, unlike the Philippines... :drunk: :demon:

That may be true, but this is for the short term, no? Singapore's weakness will be her demise. The fact that the country is a mere island to house so many, is an absolute weakness. Her natural resources are minimal to nothing; whilst 'poorer' and 'weaker' states that she might range such as the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam have immense natural resources and many of which remain untapped. This is the base for later growth.

My friend, there is soo much potential for the Philippines. You have the man power, you have the education, you have the influence in the United States, and you have presence in the middle easet no? Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia are pwoerful countries, dont get me wrong, but we are still developing. We have not even hit our prime, for there is still VAST amount of resources to allow this. Whilst Singapore is already outpaced. Her population will continue to swell and this will result in problems later.

So, do not be so quick to denounce your military, no. We Thais have much respect for you Filipinos. As the first republic in Asia, please, please, keep your head up high. The Filipino eagle has not even opened its wings, its still dormant. Same as the Thai Elephant, still sleeping. But when we awaken...lol...be careful.


Take care my Filipino buddies! :mademyd: :patrioticpinoy:
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