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Royal Thai Navy and Philippine Naval cooperation?; considered?
Topic Started: May 30 2005, 12:53 PM (8,097 Views)
SIRIKITTONG
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mwe
Jun 4 2005, 09:42 AM
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The reason for acquiring the fighter was the readying of the new world order, in which the RTN knew that China would make a presence after the fall of the USSR.


Thailand and China were quite close by then. It actually had to do with Vietnam back when the idea came up. Of course by 1994 when the keel was laid down that reason was long gone as well.

More like having a carrier because you can... :drunk:

No. As an officer of the RTN, I would have to reiterate that it is in the Kingdom's best interest in building up all sectors of our armed forces, particularly the navy, in protecting and preserving our sea lanes as well as a deterrent to any Chinese naval intrusions into our waters (the entire gulf of Thailand) lol; the cambodians and vietnamese have a problem with this..but..lets just say they dont have the power to do anything about it, ok. :rifle: :asniper: :aberet:

Please understand that although Bangkok holds trade and bilateral talks with Beijing, the armed forces, still rate them as the number one threat.

Why? Because they are the only power in Asia that can completely threaten Thailand. Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia etc are more of a medium level threat; PRC is a nuclear power, may I remind you.
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Singapore maybe a medium level threat to you but youknow very well that our navy easily outmatch your navy, not to mention our air force. It will be foolish for Thailand to act as aggressive power in SEA, not with SAF ready to counter any attempts. :nono:
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hey... we're all comrades here. keep your cool, guys... :specool: :armycheers:
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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may away ba?, wala pa naman a :demon:
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Please understand that although Bangkok holds trade and bilateral talks with Beijing, the armed forces, still rate them as the number one threat.


If this was 1973 you would be on mark but the carrier was laid in 1994.

So the irony is not lost with the Thai military using Chinese frigates, artillery, tanks, apcs and so forth... and of course teaming up with actions in Cambodia during the 1980s.

The military build up in the 1980s was for Vietnam and not China.

As it stands Burma is a more likely enemy of course then the PRC.
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honestly, i see the same thing as mwe. Myanmar (Burma) and Malaysia seem more of a threat to Thailand than other countries in the region.

correct me if i'm wrong but there was this point in history of Thailand when it sent its military forces (including heavily-armed F-5E/Fs and armored vehicles) close to the border with Myanmar. as for Malaysia, well, Islamic fundamentalists in Southern Thailand used Malaysian territory to get arms and training from terrorists.

oh well... at least Thailand knows how to value its long-enjoyed independence while the Philippines will NEVER (i mean it... it will NEVER) do anything to beef up its defenses to BOTH internal and external aggressors. :drunk: :demon:
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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Jun 4 2005, 01:00 PM
Singapore maybe a medium level threat to you but youknow very well that our navy easily outmatch your navy, not to mention our air force. It will be foolish for Thailand to act as aggressive power in SEA, not with SAF ready to counter any attempts. :nono:

lol. I do have my respects for the Singaporean military (army, navy, air etc). But it would be out of base for Singapore to threaten the Royal Thai Armed Forces on anything, no? We outpopulate you, we have a larger economic base as well as a faster growing GNP and a much more amiable influence in the region that Singapore. I also would like to remind you, my Singaporean friend that Thailand was one of the founding fathers of ASEAN (aside from the Philippines); whilst Singapore was then part of the Malaysian Federation until its cecession.

It is clear that our air forces are very powerful, with Singapore with a slight edge, but I know that the Royal Navy is far more experienced in fighting piracy and standing off larger navies such as teh Indonesians and Malaysians; as well as our land forces are heavily trained. Experienced with countless anti-insurgency exercises in the south as well as dealing with the Burmese and the Laotians and from time to time the Cambodians. What was the last conflict the Singaporean army had? hmmmm...care to tell? There are times when battle experience outpaces tech, you know. Look at our Filipino friends, although their military is underfunded and lower in standards as the Thais, Sings, Malaysians, etc, it is evident that the Philippine army and navy completes its job effectively-they're a battle hardened force. Same applies to the Royal Thai Armed Forces.


And yes, I never implied that Thailand would be aggressive. We have never utilized an aggressive stance to our neighbours or taken any land from them in the last 5 decades. The last time Thailand was 'aggressive' was when we were known as Siam, and that was when we presided over peninsular Malaysia (yes that includes Singapore), Laos, Cambodia and eastern regions of Burma.


Peace, my Singa friend.

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relax comrades. we should not be fighting. instead, we must discuss things and share opinions without offending others. :exactly:

Sirikittong: do you think the Philippine and Thai navies can cooperate in anti-terrorist and anti-smuggling training operations? :crawling:
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SIRIKITTONG
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Jun 4 2005, 01:39 PM
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Please understand that although Bangkok holds trade and bilateral talks with Beijing, the armed forces, still rate them as the number one threat.


If this was 1973 you would be on mark but the carrier was laid in 1994.

So the irony is not lost with the Thai military using Chinese frigates, artillery, tanks, apcs and so forth... and of course teaming up with actions in Cambodia during the 1980s.

The military build up in the 1980s was for Vietnam and not China.

As it stands Burma is a more likely enemy of course then the PRC.

The Vietnamese were never a naval concern during the 70s or during the 80s because the Vietnamese Navy (if that is what you would call it) was never a force to be reckoned with. Their ships were primarily patrol boats. There was no Vietnamese Navy to engage the Royal Fleet, and the Malaysian presence? If you do not know, Malaysia did not start its military buildup until the 80s and during the 90s, until the Asian financial crisis disrupted military modernization programs for all ASEAN countries. Malaysia never had a considerable force in the beginning. No, the carrier was built by the Spanish on request by the naval high command on response to planned Chinese presence (we sea this now with its presence in South China Sea/Spratleys debacle).

Also sir, you have to keep in mind that Vietnam was in no condition to threaten us during the late 70s and 80s because after teh Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, which liberated Phomh Penh from the Khmer Rouge, China (an ally of Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge Regime) invaded Vietnam and started the Sino-Vietnamese War, which resulted in the PLA taking 10 northern vietnamese provinces, which were lated given back. The Chinese 'punish vietnam' campaign destroyed and ruined Vietnamese demographic growth since the end of the Vietnamese-American hostilities. So as you can see, Vietnam was not even a threat to the Royal Thai Armed Forces; but it was China.

China's invasion and China's cozying up with Cambodia was seen by the Royal Thai naval command as a slap to the face as well as a threat; hence our naval growth. Also, China was cozying up with Burma at the time, which itself was a longe time enemy of us Thais. Understand the geo-political-economic rammifications of a Chinese presence and its effects to Thailand?

You also mentioned our purchasing of Chinese goods? Of course. we are trying to befriend the chinese dragon and build up our defense as fast and as strong as possible. Believe me, as an officer in the RTN, and as a thai military woman, our main threat is China. Its a double edge sword in that we depend on China for trade, yet hold her as a threat. Same thing the USA feels. She depends on China for trade, but sees her as the main military threat, no?


Hope you understand.

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