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| Royal Thai Navy and Philippine Naval cooperation?; considered? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2005, 12:53 PM (8,090 Views) | |
| GKB02 | Jul 16 2005, 07:36 AM Post #111 |
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does the Royal Thai Navy locally upgrade thier surface ships? cuz if they can, we can let them upgrade our Peacock class corvettes or the cyclones for friendly prices heh..
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| Kookie | Jul 16 2005, 09:30 AM Post #112 |
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I believe we have the capability and the skill to upgrade our own ships. All we need are the appropriate funds for the purpose. |
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| SIRIKITTONG | Jul 16 2005, 10:25 AM Post #113 |
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Yes we have the capability to upgrade our own ships. Yes you're right the PI should start relocatting better funds. Why does not the AFP take over the government now? Hmmm..ever thought about that?
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| Frenzy | Jul 16 2005, 10:33 AM Post #114 |
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after suggesting such a stupid idea mr. siritongtong, why not take a look at your own backyard where your equally corrupt prime minister thaksin has asumed extra powers supposedly to defeat the unrest... good luck
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| knightshade | Jul 16 2005, 06:26 PM Post #115 |
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its not a very bad idea bro, cuz if this unrest happening now continue for a long time one day we might see our economy back in misery. i opt for a swift renewal.. than this one happening in the streets...:rifle:
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| GKB02 | Jul 17 2005, 04:53 AM Post #116 |
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howbout dictatorship with good intentions??
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| Numbers | Oct 23 2006, 07:23 PM Post #117 |
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Given the recent coup in Thailand, I can safely say that the Thai military is really not a bit hesitant in taking over civ governments when they want to. Siri is but a junior officer in their navy and yet she's so adept at recommending coups. I wonder if she's already an admiral now.
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| Zero wing | Oct 29 2006, 09:15 PM Post #118 |
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ya me to by the way why do u think malaysia is a treat to our country well china i can understad but malaysia??? man compare them to your countrys naval firepower there nothing and about RP Thai Naval cooperation i dont think that my country is capable of cooperating well because my countrys navy is made out of little 21st century and WWW2 vintage ships we dont even have a missile system on our ships and believe me i know i live near one of my countrys naval base in cavite unlike the thai navy my country is floating museum so sad to say but ture unless u guys can provide as with ships with all armaments well i find that unlikely peace out thanks
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| City Hunter | Oct 30 2006, 11:32 AM Post #119 |
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Going back to the first post, it sure would be nice if we could someday say too "our carrier task force". But that's going OT. Going back to the subject, it would indeed be nice if our two navies with the marines take part in a joint exercise. One major issue that could be tackled would be on how to check piracy, the seemingly immortal and gremlin-like in multiplying criminal syndicates and terrorism. Add along our joint need to help out in times of disasters may they be man-made or natural. This possible joint exercise need not use or require sophisticated equipment. Just like in the army - do with what you have. With proper training, cooperation and teamwork we should be able to fine tune our needs and requirements. Take for example the want for more sophisticated ships, detection equipment and weaponry. Such capital investment means nothing as most such advocators forgot the most important factor - the operator. Unmotivated and ill-supported, how can such devices be of best use? Clearly, we should start with the human element. We should get the best and keep them in service as much as possible. Then define realistic aims and goals. There should also be transparency and if need be adopt foreign techniques and principles which have proven to have worked. One example is that of the Israeli attitude on who should lead the mission. That the most current experienced personnel should lead despite what rank he may have. And proper intelligence support will also help even up the odds just like what the Israeli air force does too. They gang up on the "ace" while the others tackle the lesser opfors. Then let's include simplicity and reliability to our items. One possible beneficiary of such approach would be in answering our defense equipment. Clearly it would be expensive for our AFP to equip much of its units with missile systems and rocketry. So we answer with an equally and cost-effective solution - mortars. The Soviets have proven that mortars are a tremendous and cheap asset. They are simple, reliable and cheap. The Americans have effectively used it too in battles which helped changed things at the end of World War 2. With proper coordination, they got to time their artillery and mortars to land at the same time on the opfor. The Germans who were charging in the open got serious casualties while the Americans waited and watched in safety. The same approach can be said to have been achieved by the present Iran. They acquired a rocket torpedo technology which is now being used to threaten the world's remaining superpower. The US Navy as we all know is well-trained and -equipped plus its sophisticated equipment is hard to match. Yet, the Iranians with their dated and smaller navy have now an ace which could neutralize the US Navy's effectiveness. Yes, the Iranians are clearly of no match, yet, to the US but the Americans will lose a lot of its assets if the Iranians invest in creating more of these rocket torpedoes and arm it to all their naval vessels. And such item isn't hard to fit into their smaller vessles. With its simple guidance system - sonar guidance wouldn't really be of help as the noise from the rocket motor negates its effectiveness - we could do a similar item to equip to our aging fleet. So what then if the ChiComs start posturing in the Spratlys and start increasing their illegal presence in Mischief Reef. An antique naval vessel from our fleet armed with air-fused rounds from large-caliber mortars and rocket torpedoes can do serious damage. And if we crew it following the lines of the Soviet penal battalions it would be of little loss to us - since the ChiComs does the same anyway. Simplicity and reliability plus affordability would then be answered in such joint exercises. From questions like if we do need to replace our M-16s or not. Do we stick to M-14s and upgrade them or is it time to develop our own 417 version. The Thai body armor that our DND is exploring - should we start producing a licensed version of it? And so on. One issue that would ultimately come up if this idea is to be proposed would be the influence of the Thai military to ours. Clearly, the coup topic may sway our political leaders to vote for negating such an exercise. I believe that the present Philippine administration has little to fear from such influences. As the local opposition has yet to field a worthy opponent to GMA. Yes, GMA is still in a shaky position considering that she and her cohorts have yet to answer the many questions that have been thrown at them. But, with their opponents equally having disappointing agendas and objectives GMA can rest assured that she'd be able to stay in office until 2009 (sorry, injecting a bit of feng shui here as results from such reading predict a difficult situation for her come that time). And unless the opposition and the people find a common denominator to field against GMA then things will still be the same. It is not really a bad thing if GMA does only what she aims for. The problem really lies with those she's with and who she owes to. The Thais are lucky as they have a respectable and nationalistic King (and Queen). Yes, corruption abounds there too (as well as the rest of the nations in Asia). But they have someone to turn too when things go wrong. I cannot really say if their deposed PM is bad considering I know little of him but from reports there was indeed a political play then in progress - one of which is disrespecting the King and attempting to push him aside from national affairs (which from reports he meddles very little in of). Us Filipinos have no such figure to turn to. The late Cardinal Sin cannot even be compared to such (I shall not elaborate why as I do respect the dead despite their questionable deeds). So, Ma'am Sirikittong isn't off when she advised that our military attempt a take-over. That is because with the things that had gone in Thailand, the need for a constructive change took priority. And that change was successful as a unifying factor was present - their King. What she didn't know is that we had no such person to unite us together towards a common and constructive goal. Does this mean we stick with GMA? I believe we should do so at the moment. From my correspondence to her office and what reports state, she is working for the benefit of the country - not surprising as she is a mother too. The problem is her political maturity and ability. She cannot survive long with the local political sharks thus she has to ally herself with those who are bigger and badder. These are lessons that we must take into heart and avoid when the change does happen. And if GMA can be clearly proven what she did is wrong - the accusations placed upon her - then she should also be justly punished. Then, the nation must move forward toward a progressive future - which can be achieved easily if we are to combine our strengths and abilities. Putting the political issue aside, I'd really like such a joint exercise be put into action. It would highlight the need to develop our aviation and naval industry. These are the two main factors which helped Great Britain then to keep her sovereignity during the Second World War. Not that our army is to be neglected but advancing our air and naval forces would answer requirements for internal and external defense. That which must and best afforded and locally answered would be realized. And what answers can be better met if done jointly with a reliable ally? One such project would be the development of UCAVs and similar forms of subs. These, most especially the UCAVs, would be of better use to naval matters considering our experience with them when our troops were chasing the Abu Sayaff. Not only would it give our old guns more range and accuracy especially with the possible introduction of smart shells but as additional eyes and arsenal too (like those Harpies that the ChiCom have bought from Israel). I enjoin everyone to do continue discussing this. Then when there's a definite conclusion let's lobby our officials to approve of such an idea. |
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| kyle_katarno | Nov 3 2006, 08:38 AM Post #120 |
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Cute Bah Ako????
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RTN and PN cooperation so I guess that idea sank when the king tookover Thailand again huh? what now? |
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