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| Royal Thai Navy and Philippine Naval cooperation?; considered? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2005, 12:53 PM (8,088 Views) | |
| SIRIKITTONG | May 30 2005, 12:53 PM Post #1 |
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Considering that our two countries are old trading partners since the ancient days..anc sondering that we are the fathers of ASEAN, as well as beacon of democracy in south east asia..it is only logical for our two great nations to cooperate. We also share two very important enemies( lol) the malaysians and the chinese (although the government has bilateral talks). Cooperation between our two navies would be a great counter to increased malaysians incursions as well as chinese naval threat. Your views? Oh yes..lol..our carrier task group ;) ![]()
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| spiderweb6969 | May 30 2005, 11:09 PM Post #2 |
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What is your military impression of China made weapons bought earlier like Tanks and APC bought at friendship price during the late 1980's? or the Naresuan class frigate? I believe these are China made Thailand frigate? Whats the name and specifications? How much? ![]() ![]()
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| SIRIKITTONG | May 31 2005, 07:03 AM Post #3 |
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Here are the specs on the Entire Royal Thai Naval Surface Fleet; included are the chinese built corvettes; although 2 are not mentioned. Aircraft Carrier Chakri Nareubet small VSTOL carrier Displacement: 11,300 tons full load Dimensions: 182.5 x 30.5 x 6.15 meters (599 x 100 x 20.2 feet) Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 12,874 bhp, 16.7 knots; 2 LM2500 boost gas turbines, 44,250 shp, 26.2 knots Crew: 601 Aviation: full length flight deck with skijump, 2 elevators; 6 AV-8S Harrier, 4 SH-60 Seahawk Hangar: 100 x 20.5 meters Troops: 675 Radar: SPS-52C 3-D air search Armament: 2 Mistral SAM positions, 2 12.7 mm MG Small Spanish-built CVV; also fitted for amphibious assault, disaster relief, and has accomodations for the royal family. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 911 Chakri Nareubet 1997 Surface Combatants Phutthayotfa Chulaok (Knox) class ASW frigates Displacement: 4,250 tons full load Dimensions: 133.5 x 14.17 x 7.46 meters (438 x 46.5 x 24.5 feet) Propulsion: Steam turbines, 2 boilers, 1 shaft, 35,000 shp, 27 knots Crew: appox. 250 Aviation: aft helicopter deck and hangar; 1 light helo Radar: SPS-40B 2-D air search Sonar: SQS-26CX bow, SQR-18 towed Fire Control: SPG-53 gun control EW: SLQ-32(V)1 passive intercept Armament: 8-cell ASROC (16 ASROC or 12 ASROC + 4 Harpoon SSM), 1 5/54 DP, 1 20 mm Phalanx CIWS, 4 12.75 inch torpedo tubes Ex-USN. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 461 Phutthayotfa Chulaok 1974/94 Ex-FFT 1095 462 Phutthaloetla Naphalai 1970/97 Ex-FF 1077 Naresuan class (Type 25T) frigates Displacement: 2,900 tons full load Dimensions: 119 x 13 x 3.8 meters (390.5 x 42.5 x 12.5 feet) Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 14,770 bhp; 2 LM2500 boost gas turbines, 50,000 shp, 32 knots Crew: 150 Aviation: aft helicopter deck and hangar; 1 light helo Radar: LW-08 2-D air search Sonar: DE-1160 hull Fire Control: Mk 92, Mk 91 missile control, STIR-18 gun control EW: SLQ-32(V)2 intercept Armament: 8 Harpoon SSM, 1 8-cell VL Sea Sparrow launcher 1 5/54 DP, 2 dual 37 mm AA, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes Chinese-built. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 621 Naresuan 1995? 622 Taksin 1996? Chao Phraya (Jianghu III) class (Type 053T/053HT) small ASW/patrol frigates Displacement: 1,865 tons full load Dimensions: 103.2 x 10.83 x 3.1 meters (338.5 x 35.5 x 10 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 14,730 shp, 30 knots Crew: 168 Radar: MX-902 air search Sonar: Type E-5 searchlight-type Fire Control: Square Tie missile control, Type 343 gun control EW: Type 211 intercept, Type 318 & 521 jammers, 2 chaff Armament: 4 (8?) C-801 SSM, 2 100m/56 DP (1 in last two), 4 dual 37 mm AA, 2 RBU-1200 ASW rocket launchers, 1 DC rack Chinese-built, used mostly for patrol work. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 455 Chao Phraya 1991 456 Bangpakong 1991 457 Kraburi 1992 458 Saiburi 1992 Ratanakosin class (PFMM type) corvettes Displacement: 960 tons full load Dimensions: 76.82 x 9.55 x 2.44 meters (252 x 31 x 8 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 14,730 bhp, 26 knots Crew: 87 Radar: DA-05 air/surf search Sonar: DSQS-21C hull Fire Control: WM-25, LIROD-8 EW: Newton intercept, Dagaie chaff Armament: 8 Harpoon SSM, 8-cell Albatros SAM (24 Aspide missiles), 1 76 mm OTO, 1 dual 40 mm AA, 2 20 mm AA, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes US-built, very heavily armed. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 441 Ratanakosin 1986 442 Sukhothai 1987 Tapi class (PF 103 type) large patrol corvettes Displacement: 1,172 tons full load Dimensions: 84.04 x 10.06 x 3.05 meters (275.7 x 33 x 10 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 5,300 bhp, 20 knots Crew: 140 Radar: SPS-6C 2-D air search Sonar: DSQS-21C hull Fire Control: WM-25 Armament: 1 76 mm OTO DP, 1 40mm/70 AA, 2 20 mm, 2 12.7 mm MG, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes, 1 DC rack US-built for transfer. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 431 Tapi 1971 432 Khirirat 1974 Submarines Purchase of two Israeli IKL500 class boats is planned, but not yet confirmed. Amphibious Ships Sichang class (PS700 type) medium landing ships Displacement: 4,235 tons full load (722: 4,520 tons full load) Dimensions: 103 x 15.65 x 3.52 meters (338 x 41 x 11.5 feet) (722: 109 meters/357.5 feet long) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 9,600 bhp, 16 knots Crew: 52 Aviation: aft helicopter deck Troops: 340-350 Cargo: 850 tons Armament: 1 40mm/70 AA, 2 20 mm AA, 2 12.7 mm MG Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 721 Sichang 1987 722 Surin 1992 Anthong (LST 542) class medium landing ships Displacement: 4,080 tons full load Dimensions: 99.98 x 15.24 x 4.36 meters (328 x 50 x 14 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 1,700 bhp, 11 knots Crew: 80 Troops: 348 Cargo: 1,230 tons (815 tons beaching) Armament: 2 dual, 4 single 40 mm, 4 12.7 mm MG (2: additional 2 20 mm) Ex-USN. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 711 Anthong 1944/?? Ex-LST 294 712 Chang 1944/62 Ex-LST 898 733 Pangan 1945/66 Ex-LST 1134 714 Lanta 1945/70 Ex-LST 1141 715 Prathong 1944/75 Ex-LST 722 Kut (LSM 1) class utility landing craft Displacement: 1,095 tons full load Dimensions: 62.03 x 10.52 x 2.54 meters (203.5 x 34.5 x 8 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 2,800 bhp, 12.5 knots Crew: 91 Troops: 50 Cargo: 452 tons Armament: 1 dual 40 mm, 4 20 mm Ex-USN, overdue for replacement. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 731 Kut 1945/46 Ex-LSM 338 732 Kram 1945/62 Ex-LSM 469 Patrol Craft Note: Two 1,000 ton offshore patrol ships have been ordered from China. Hua Hin class large patrol boats Displacement: 645 tons full load Dimensions: 62 x 9.1 x 2.5 meters Propulsion: 3 diesels, 3 shafts, 10,150 bhp, 25 knots Crew: 45 Armament: 1 76 mm OTO DP, 1 40 mm, 1 20 mm, 2 12.7 mm MG Large patrol craft for EEZ patrol. Three are to be constructed initially, with 15 more to follow at a later date. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes [541 Hua Hin building] [542 Klaeng building] [543 Si Racha building] Khamronsin class large ASW patrol boats Displacement: 475 tons full load Dimensions: 62 x 8.26 x 2.5 meters (203.5 x 27 x 8 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 7,340 bhp, 25 knots Crew: 57 Radar: AWS-4 air/surf search Sonar: DSQS-21C hull Armament: 1 76 mm OTO DP, 1 dual 30 mm AA, 2 12.7 mm MG, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 531 Kamronsin 1992 532 Thaychanon 1992 533 Longlom 1993 Ratcharit class missile boats Displacement: 270 tons full load Dimensions: 49.8 x 7.5 x 1.68 meters (162 x 24.5 x 5.5 feet) Propulsion: 3 diesels, 3 shafts, 13,500 shp, 36 knots Crew: 45 Fire Control: WM-25 EW: RDL-2 intercept Armament: 4 MM38 Exocet SSM, 1 76 mm OTO DP, 1 40mm/70 AA Italian-built. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 321 Ratcharit 1979 322 Witthayakom 1979 323 Udomet 1980 Prabrarapak class missile boats Displacement: 260 tons full load Dimensions: 44.9 x 7 x 2.1 meters (147 x 23 x 9 feet) Propulsion: 4 diesels, 4 shafts, 14,000 bhp, 41 knots Crew: 41 Fire Control: WM-28 EW: RDL-2 intercept Armament: 5 Gabriel SSM, 1 57mm/70 AA, 1 40mm/70 AA, 2 12.7 mm MG Built in Singapore. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 311 Prabrarapak 1975 312 Hanhak Sattru 1975 313 Suphairin 1977 Chonburi class (MV400 type) large patrol boats Displacement: 450 tons full load Dimensions: 60.4 x 8.8 x 1.95 meters (198 x 29 x 6 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 12,600 bhp, 30 knots Crew: 42 Armament: 2 76 mm OTO DP, 2 dual 40mm/70 AA, 2 12.7 mm MG Italian-built. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 331 Chonburi 1983 332 Songkhla 1983 333 Phuket 1984 Sattahip class (PSMM Mk 5 type) patrol boats Displacement: 300 tons full load Dimensions: 50.14 x 7.30 x 1.58 meters (164.5 x 24 x 5 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 6,840 bhp, 22 knots Crew: 56 Armament: 1 3/50 SP (76 mm OTO DP in 524-56), 1 40 mm, 2 20 mm, 2 12.7 mm MG Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 521 Sattahip 1983 522 Klongyai 1984 523 Takbai 1984 524 Katang 1985 525 Thepa 1986 526 Thai Muang 1986 T11 (PGM 71) class small patrol boats Displacement: 144 tons full load Dimensions: 30.81 x 6.45 x 2.3 meters Propulsion: 8 diesels, 2 shafts, 2,040 bhp, 17 knots Crew: 23-25 Armament: 1 40 mm, 1 dual 20 mm, 2 12.7 mm MG, 1 81 mm mortar US-built for transfer. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes -- T11 1966 -- T12 1967 -- T13 1967 -- T14 1969 -- T15 1969 -- T16 1970 -- T17 1970 -- T18 1970 -- T19 1970 -- T110 1970 T93 class small patrol boats Displacement: 125 tons full load Dimensions: 34 x 5.7 x 1.4 meters (115. x 18.5 x 4.5 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 3,300 bhp, 25 knots Crew: 23-25 Armament: 2 40 mm, 2 12.7 mm MG Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes -- T93 1973? -- T94 1981 -- T95 1981 -- T96 1982 -- T97 1983 -- T98 1984 -- T99 1987 T91 class small patrol boats Displacement: 100 tons full load Dimensions: 31.8 x 5.36 x 1.5 meters Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 3,300 bhp, 25 knots Crew: 21 Armament: 1 40 mm + 1 20 mm (T91) or 2 40 mm (T92) Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes -- T91 1965? -- T92 1973? Mine Countermeasures Vessels Thalang mine countermeasures support ship/minelayer Displacement: 1,000 tons full load Dimensions: 55.7 x 10 x 3.1 meters (183 x 33 x 10 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 1,310 bhp, 12 knots Crew: 77 Armament: 1 40 mm, 2 20 mm, 2 12.7 mm MG, ?? mines Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 621 Thalang 1980 Ladya (Gaeta/Lerici II) class minehunters Displacement: 650 tons full load Dimensions: 52.45 x 9.87 x 2.95 meters (172 x 32 x 9.5 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 1,900 bhp, 14.3 knots Crew: 47 Sonar: DSQS-11M minehunting Armament: 1 30 mm Italian-built. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 633 Lat ya 1999 634 Tha Din Daeng 2000 Bang Rachan class (M48 type) patrol minesweepers Displacement: 444 tons full load Dimensions: 48 x 9.3 x 2.75 meters (157.5 x 30.5 x 9 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 3,223 bhp, 18 knots Crew: 40 Sonar: DSQB-11H hull Fire Control: Armament: 3 20 mm AA Minesweeper/hunters; minehunting sonar is ineffective, and they are used mostly as patrol boats. Built in Germany. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 631 Bang Rachan 1987 632 Nongsarhai 1987 Ladya (Bluebird) class coastal minesweepers Displacement: 362 tons full load Dimensions: 44.32 x 8.29 x 2.6 meters (145.5 x 27 x 8.5 feet) Propulsion: 4 diesels, 2 shafts, 880 bhp, 13 knots Crew: 43 Sonar: UQS-1D mine location Armament: 1 dual 20 mm US-built for transfer. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 612 Bangkeo 1965 613 Don Chedi 1965 Auxiliaries Similan replenishment oiler Displacement: 23,000 tons full load Dimensions: 171.4 x 24.6 x 9 meters (562.3 x 80.7 x 29.5 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 24,000 hp, 19 knots Crew: 130 + 53 transients Aviation: aft helicopter deck & dual hangars Cargo: 9,000 tons Armament: 4 twin 37 mm Chinese-built. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 871 Siliman 1996 Chula coastal oiler Displacement: 2,000 tons full load Dimensions: 67 x 9.5 x 4.35 meters (219 x 31 x 14 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 2,400 bhp, 14 knots Crew: 39 Cargo: 800 tons Armament: 2 20 mm Built in Singapore. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 841 Chula 1981 Samui (YO 57 class) coastal tanker Displacement: 1,420 tons full load Dimensions: 53.03 x 9.75 x 4.27 meters Propulsion: 1 diesel, 1 shaft, 560 bhp, 8 knots Crew: 29 Cargo: 985 tons Armament: 2 20 mm Ex-USN. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 832 Samui 1944/?? Makut Rajakumarn training frigate Displacement: approx. 1,900 tons full load Dimensions: 97.56 x 10.97 x 5.5 meters (320 x 36 x 18 feet) Propulsion: 2 shafts; 1 cruise diesel, 6,000 bhp, 18 knots; 1 TBM-3B boost gas turbine, 23,125 shp, 26 knots Crew: ?? Radar: DA-05 air/surf search Sonar: DSQS-21C hull Fire Control: WM-22 EW: UA-3 intercept, FH-4 HFDF Armament: 2 114mm/56 DP, 2 40mm/70 AA, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes, 2 DC mortars, 1 DC rack UK-built ASW frigate, converted for training duties. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 433 Makut Rajakumarn 1973 Pin Klao (Cannon class) training frigate Displacement: approx. 1,600 tons full load Dimensions: 93.27 x 11.15 x 3.56 meters Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 4 diesels, 2 shafts, 6,000 bhp, 20 knots Crew: ?? Radar: SPS-6C air search Armament: 3 3/50 SP, 3 dual 40 mm, 2 triple 12.75 mm torpedo tubes, Hedgehog, DC racks Ex-USN DE, now used for training. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 413 Pin Klao 1944/59 Ex-DE 746 Suk oceanographic research ship Displacement: 1,526 tons full load Dimensions: 62.9 x 11 x 4.1 meters (206 x 36 x 13.5 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 2,400 bhp, 15 knots Crew: 58 Armament: 2 20 mm, 2 7.62 mm MG Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 812 Suk 1982 Chandhara oceanographic research ship Displacement: 997 tons full load Dimensions: 70 x 10.5 x 3 meters (229.5 x 34.5 x 10 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 1,090 bhp, 13 knots Crew: 68 Armament: 1 40 mm, 1 20 mm Built in Germany. Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 811 Chandhara 1961 Suriya buoy tender Displacement: 960 tons full load Dimensions: 54.2 x 10 x 3 meters (178 x 33 x 10 feet) Propulsion: 2 diesels, 1 shaft, 1,310 bhp, 12 knots Crew: 60 Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes 821 Suriya 1979 |
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| SIRIKITTONG | May 31 2005, 07:07 AM Post #4 |
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My impression on Chinese military hardware? I believe that the PLAN/PLA/PLAAF crafts are of superb quality. I have personally seen Chinese military hardware and am quite impressed. Their hardware are cheaper compared to western counterparts, but of equal if even superior quality. |
![]() My regards to my Philippine friends! Im hoping for a fast recovery for your beautiful country! Chai Yo! | |
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| 21Scorpio | May 31 2005, 10:11 AM Post #5 |
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"My impression on Chinese military hardware? I believe that the PLAN/PLA/PLAAF crafts are of superb quality. I have personally seen Chinese military hardware and am quite impressed. Their hardware are cheaper compared to western counterparts, but of equal if even superior quality. "[/B you sound like a salesman friend. how can u explain why china is outsourcing its defence needs for warships and aircraft if as u have said its superior than its western counterparts. open your eyes man. maybe we can say that its ok nut cannot be superior. |
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| Singa Lion | May 31 2005, 10:26 AM Post #6 |
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your carrier rarely sortie out due to high operating costs, if ever it puts out to sea its only for 2 or 3 days |
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| israeli | May 31 2005, 11:16 AM Post #7 |
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Philippine Navy-Royal Thai Navy cooperation? why not? it will be very nice to be cooperating with one of our great neighbors in Southeast Asia. ![]() SIRIKITTONG: i'm wondering how you Thais were able to fit in US-made Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Sea Sparrow air defense missiles, radars, sonars and EW suite on the Chinese-made Naresuan class frigates.
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| adroth | May 31 2005, 12:29 PM Post #8 |
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Hello Sirikittong, Welcome to PDFF. Good relations amongst ASEAN members is always good. I believe our nation's armed forces are already acquiated. BTW, check your mailbox. :thumb: |
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| adroth | May 31 2005, 12:31 PM Post #9 |
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Singa, Your not up to your self-promoting posts again are you?
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| datu | May 31 2005, 01:36 PM Post #10 |
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Here are some Thai ships from that are China-built, i think, if they are not, please tell me: Chao Praya class-this one being the "Saiburi"-hull number 458- ![]() ![]() ![]() Next are Nareusan class, this one being the "Taksin"-hull number 422, the sister ship 421, although hazegray says taksin is 622 and 621 for the sister ship-. As to the Mk.41 SeaSparrow VLS, they reportedly were not bought. Ask Sirikittong to clarify. ![]() ![]() These pictures taken during 2004? visit by Thai Navy to Shanghai. |
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