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| possible | May 25 2005, 12:51 AM Post #11 |
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well, another hurdle would be: wouldn't a major weapon system like a missile need to go through a public bidding? maybe you can get the SEA WOLVES with the launchers but where do you get the missiles? parang a sneaky way around the rules, 'di ba? my bad: MINISTER-class is not identical to SEA WOLF/TNC-45, it's a purely Israeli innovation aka the RESHEF or SAAR 4-class. TNC-45 is up to SAAR 3 only. and four boats were built in Singapore from 1972, not launched all at once in that year.
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| datu | May 25 2005, 05:25 AM Post #12 |
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Fremantle or non-missile SeaWolf, or even Cyvlones? There goes greater capability for the inshore fleet. Next question is what ships for the external/blue water fleet. |
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| 21Scorpio | May 25 2005, 12:31 PM Post #13 |
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"Fremantle or non-missile SeaWolf, or even Cyvlones? There goes greater capability for the inshore fleet." Yes without question but isn't better if it has missiles? a wolf without a fang does not scare anyone. or maybe the NAVY planners have other kind of arming these sea wolves from singapore. maybe they feel that missiles are already obsolete and they want better performing one. Once we purchase yhese vessels I can see another Jacinto like upgrade program for the sea wolves with top of the line missile system and heavier gun.Fremantle? if the sea wolves are available then buy it first bcoz it has already the space for missiles system. Fremantle will be a bood buy though but the sae wolf will be a better deal it has a heavier punch. |
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| israeli | May 25 2005, 12:36 PM Post #14 |
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i don't think the Harpoons, Gabriels and Mistrals that equip those Sea Wolves are obsolete. the Singaporeans have so much money that they never let their country's Armed Forces be left obsolete. yes, the Sea Wolves are all but old missile boats but they can surely hit an enemy vessel hard with their quite powerful array of weapons. if we are getting those Singaporean Sea Wolf class FACs, GET THE MISSILES TOO!
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| israeli | May 25 2005, 12:42 PM Post #15 |
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Specifications of the Sea Wolf class FACs (source:http://www.hazegray.org): Displacement: 254 tons Dimensions: 44.9 x 7 x 2.3 meters (147.3 x 23 x 7.5 feet) Propulsion: 4 MTU 16V 538 TB92 diesels, 13460 hp, 4 shafts, 38 knots Crew: 40 Armament: 4 Harpoon SSM (2 twin), 2 Gabriel SAMs, Mistral SAMs, 1 Bofors 57mm/70, 1 Bofors 40mm/70 |
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| Manokski | May 25 2005, 02:42 PM Post #16 |
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You can find the details and a picture here as well if you havent looked yet. http://www.hueybravo.net/SingaporMaritimeExhibition.htm http://www.hueybravo.net You'll notice that there are some differences between what Hazegray says the performance is and what Singapore says it is (38 vs 30 knots). |
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| Manokski | May 25 2005, 02:51 PM Post #17 |
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Actually, I think you have it the other way around, the Bofors 40mm installed on the SQ boats is the newer pattern - 40mm/70 cal. These are much newer. PN versions, Mk1 & 3 are actually WW2 guns taken from old ships and a 40mm/60 caliber (shorter length tubes basically). The 57mm Bofors is the same as that used by the Canadians and is the same type chosen by the USCG to arm its new ships. This has never been in PN service. |
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| caterwaul | May 25 2005, 02:51 PM Post #18 |
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38 knots brand new and short bursts only |
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| possible | May 25 2005, 03:34 PM Post #19 |
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i'm sorry but you're mistaken, sir. the gun on the foredeck of the SEA WOLF is clearly the original Mk1 version of the Bofors SAK 57mm DPG. the latest Mk3 version is easily identified by its stealth cupola, and was the one selected by the USN and the USCG, where it will be known as the Mk110. Canada only employs the Mk2. as for the 'classic' Bofors, i was only talking about the main gun. |
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| spiderweb6969 | May 25 2005, 10:35 PM Post #20 |
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Sea Wolf Missile Gunboats 1975 - Missile Gunboats by Lim Gek Hong The SAF commissioned its first three operational missile gunboats (MGB), the Sea Wolf, Sea Lion and the Sea Dragon on 22 Jan 1975. At the commissioning ceremony at Pulau Brani Naval Base, Dr Goh Keng Swee, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence complimented the Singapore Maritime Command1: "To produce the manpower, to maintain ships and weapons systems in good order, to train ship crews to an acceptable level of operational efficiency - all these had to be done under the pressure of time and within the constraints of manpower and finance. It has been a very substantial effort..." This was a key turning point in the development of the Navy. The impetus for this development came from the instability in Southeast Asia and Britain's stated intention in 1968 to withdraw its forces from the Far East. Developing the "seaward reach" of the SAF became a priority, to take on some of the tasks that the British Navy was performing. The Commander of Maritime Command, the late LTC James Aeria, led a team on a mission in 1968 to choose the most suitable ships for the Navy. It was obvious that the advent of radars, missiles and electronics permitted smaller vessels to engage the larger naval vessels. Germany's MGBs from the Luerssen Shipyard, became the natural choice to patrol Singapore's territorial waters and beyond. Of the three MGBs that were commissioned, two (the Sea Wolf and the Sea Lion) were constructed in West Germany. The third, the Sea Dragon was the first locally built missile gunboat. In fact, the Sea Dragon and three other MGBs were constructed by the Singapore Shipbuilding and Engineering Ltd at Sungei Benoi Basin in Jurong. commissioning the MGBs signalled that the Navy had not only advanced to a higher-level of naval combat capability, but that it also had the technical expertise to manage such projects and that Singapore's shipyards could rise to the challenge. The SAF's MGBs were equipped with Bofors 40mm and 57 mm guns that could engage surface as well as aerial targets. In addition, the ships were armed with the Gabriel sea-skimming missiles, which home in on targets by means of a sophisticated electronic guidance system. The MGBs were already state-of-the-art naval strikecraft when acquired in the mid-1970s. As new technology became available, these MGBs underwent a number of upgrading programmes in the 80s and 90s to increase their strike capability and sophistication. Today, with the acquisition of the missile corvettes, submarines and other naval assets, together with the quality training of our manpower and facilities, the MGBs continue to complement our naval forces to make the RSN an established regional force for peace. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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or maybe the NAVY planners have other kind of arming these sea wolves from singapore. maybe they feel that missiles are already obsolete and they want better performing one. Once we purchase yhese vessels I can see another Jacinto like upgrade program for the sea wolves with top of the line missile system and heavier gun.











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