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Separate Service Academies
Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2005, 03:44 PM (6,596 Views)
Pendejo	May 24 2005, 12:59 AM Post #11
Member Posts: 648 Group: Regulars Member #109 Joined: September 3, 2004	If PMMA can take care of naval and coast guard officer requirements then PMA can produce more army officers. Now, for the Air Force. The officer requirements of the air force is not limited to pilots. The air force needs a source for professional officers not just pilots. In fact, there are more openings for non-rated officers in career fields like aircraft maintenance and engineering, research and development, civil engineering, meteorology, security and special operations, air ground operations, intelligence, law enforcement, finance, administration, finance, logistics, information systems, communications, weapons controllers, legal, chaplains, nurses, etc. The number of pilot training slots will depend on the operational requirements of the air force. Train officers to be pilots. Not cadets. Fernando Air Base has complete facilities for an officer training school. It has the classrooms, laboratories, dormitories, gymnasium and athletic facilities, hospital and medical, parade grounds, training areas, everything including the ktichen sink. All it needs is the curriculum for an air force officer training program. It could be a finishing school with 1 year training. It can accept candidates with 60 college units then two years officer and academic training culminating in a BS Degree. It can later be expanded to a complete 4 year course. The nucleus for this is already existing. It is the PAF Officer Candidate School. Captital budget wise, the bulk of the facilities are already there. PMA has a budget of P500 Million a year producing up to 200 officers a year. The Army normally gets 80-90, the rest are split between the navy and air force. Split the PMA budget. Give P250 Million to the air force and the navy to produce their own officers. Like it or not, PMA still produces officers with an infantry grounding and orientation. It is basically an army culture even with the current tri-service program. The tri-service program is a compromise. How can PMA develop an ideal naval orientation when there are no naval vessels in Baguio. The closest it has for a body of water is Burnham Park lagoon. We should be getting young men and women during their formative ages (17-19) to mold them into air force or naval officers. Maybe not now but the seeds for separate service academies should be planted to eventually ripen.



adroth	May 24 2005, 04:36 AM Post #12
Member Posts: 1,127 Group: Regulars Member #13 Joined: July 12, 2004	Pendejo May 23 2005, 08:59 AM Now, for the Air Force. Fernando Air Base has complete facilities for an officer training school. It has the classrooms, laboratories, dormitories, gymnasium and athletic facilities, hospital and medical, parade grounds, training areas, everything including the ktichen sink. Wanna revive the PAF Regular Officer Procurement Program (PAFROP), with a revitalized PAFFS as a foundation?
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Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP	May 24 2005, 07:24 AM Post #13
PDFF Moderator Posts: 5,008 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #283 Joined: January 7, 2005	PMA is already enough to produce professional men to man our AFP, what we shall concentrate is to be vigilant on these young graduates not to emulate the footsteps of the older incumbents who are expert "goldminers".
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flipzi	May 24 2005, 08:31 AM Post #14
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	adroth May 24 2005, 12:29 AM Pendejo May 23 2005, 07:51 AM The government provides funding and facilities for the Philippine Merchant Marine Academy.� PMMA produces outstanding graduates for foreign flag ships.� Some of its graduates go to the navy.� Why not expand the PMMA to produce not only merchant marine officers but naval and coast guard officers as well.� As it is, foreign countries are major beneficiaries of our merchant marine academy.� Why can't our armed forces utilize that capability.� PMMA has a campus, facilities, infrastructure and curriculum. This I can agree with. I'm always in favor of beefing up existing institutions, rather than starting from scratch. I once had a correspondence with a PMMA graduate who lamented that the institution needs to be revitalized. The funding that would go into turning the PMMA into a Naval Academy would be good for the service. There are currently two Commodores in the Philippine Navy from the PMMA. These were folks who joined the service via direct commission (Advance ROTC). I wonder what MBLT thinks about this. as well This is the best and the most workable compromise at this time. The facilities, system, expertise and funding is already in place so there's no reason at all why we shouldnt consider that option. BTW, diba nuon pa lang marami na naman ang nanggagaling sa PMMA na mga Navy sailors? So what's the big change that you want to happen here?
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Pendejo	May 24 2005, 02:45 PM Post #15
Member Posts: 648 Group: Regulars Member #109 Joined: September 3, 2004	To begin with...army's shortage of second camotes.



commando	May 24 2005, 04:06 PM Post #16
Member Posts: 407 Group: Regulars Member #458 Joined: May 12, 2005	. We should focus on existing institutions in order to save money. All we need to do is to improve and enlarge these facilities rather than start from scratch.
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cyklonmetal	Sep 3 2005, 02:57 PM Post #17
Member Posts: 101 Group: Regulars Member #448 Joined: April 24, 2005	adroth May 24 2005, 04:36 AM Pendejo May 23 2005, 08:59 AM Now, for the Air Force. Fernando Air Base has complete facilities for an officer training school. It has the classrooms, laboratories, dormitories, gymnasium and athletic facilities, hospital and medical, parade grounds, training areas, everything including the ktichen sink. Wanna revive the PAF Regular Officer Procurement Program (PAFROP), with a revitalized PAFFS as a foundation? I think PAFROPP stood for PAF Reserve Officer Procurement Program. They were based in Basa. Not quite sure if they later moved out to other bases and changed names but im pretty sure they were Reserve officers because i know some of them still carry reserve ranks and serials even after 20+ years of service. Anyway, im all for separate service schools. not necessarily service academies. The PAFFS is again in limbo, no intakes planned for 2005 (class 2007). A different take on Pendejo's ideas for the air force academy is to continue with the PAF OCS. make it the primary, if not the only, source of officers for the PAF. this should take care of the ongoing pissing contest between xdodos and ayers 10-15 years down the line. I think this is also a good time to emphasize that there are other fields of specialization other than flying. Right now there are two classes of officers, pilots and non pilots, with the pilots getting better opportunities. PAF OCS candidates should be college grads rather than undergrads so that they will be commisioned as regular officers. I think that this is mandated by law, this is why the PAFFS started requiring Flying School applicants to have degrees around 1965-66. Prior to this, PAFFS graduates were commisioned as reserve officers, getting their regular commision only after completing their degrees. This is one of the reasons why there's a rift between xdodos and ayers. As for curricula and training duration, I leave it to the experts, though i wish we could import experts in logistics, IT, aeronautics, management and military art (as it applies to the airforce) while we develop our own pool of talents.



Pendejo	Sep 20 2005, 01:51 PM Post #18
Member Posts: 648 Group: Regulars Member #109 Joined: September 3, 2004	Quote: A different take on Pendejo's ideas for the air force academy is to continue with the PAF OCS. make it the primary, if not the only, source of officers for the PAF. this should take care of the ongoing pissing contest between xdodos and ayers 10-15 years down the line. I think this is also a good time to emphasize that there are other fields of specialization other than flying. Right now there are two classes of officers, pilots and non pilots, with the pilots getting better opportunities. Beautiful.



scuttlebutt	Sep 21 2005, 01:08 AM Post #19
Trainee Posts: 79 Group: Regulars Member #526 Joined: August 18, 2005	i've read in the paper.(sun star daily cebu)i guess that was few days ago that there was a proposed bill that would create the PAF academy to be situated as mactan benito ebuen air base.



cyklonmetal	Sep 23 2005, 10:39 PM Post #20
Member Posts: 101 Group: Regulars Member #448 Joined: April 24, 2005	scuttlebutt Sep 21 2005, 01:08 AM i've read in the paper.(sun star daily cebu)i guess that was few days ago that there was a proposed bill that would create the PAF academy to be situated as mactan benito ebuen air base. sayang... as mentioned by Pendejo, Fernando already has everything to get the ball rolling. besides Mactan Air Base is shrinking, literally. portions of it were sold off to make room for the export zones. also, it already has a lot of tenant units. Strike Wing moved in, so did the choppers. it looks like there may be no room. but then again, Fernando AB is smaller the Mactan AB.



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