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Separate Service Academies
Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2005, 03:44 PM (6,592 Views)
Pendejo	May 23 2005, 03:44 PM Post #1
Member Posts: 648 Group: Regulars Member #109 Joined: September 3, 2004	I'd like to solicit inputs, comments for or against the idea of separate service academies. The Philippine Military Academy remains the primary source of regular officers. PMA has a tri-service program that prepares cadets for commissionship in the branch of service of their choice.



saver111	May 23 2005, 04:24 PM Post #2
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,627 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Why not? Isn't it there was a proposal before for such separate service academies? Anyway, I think it will serve the purpose right. Like for those graduates of PMA going to PAF and PN, they still have to go on specialization courses like the PAF flying school etc. which needs about another 2 years before you could be a flying officer. And to add another cost for the gov't. But if it's a dedicated air force academy, after 4 years he could earn his wings in that period. And being dedicated for such branch of service the graduates are focused and can easily function as officers for that branch (PAF or PN). Like as you mentioned before the PNP stop getting PMA graduates since 1992 and graduates from PNPA are now the sources of officers who are really trained to become police officers.
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Rapidfire	May 23 2005, 05:31 PM Post #3
Professional Toy Gun Technician Posts: 532 Group: Regulars Member #445 Joined: April 22, 2005	Is there still a pressing need to produce new PAF pilots every year? If we dont have enough flyable or assets, then theres no sense establishing a separate air force academy. same w/ the PN too if we dont have enough vessels.



flipzi	May 23 2005, 07:08 PM Post #4
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Rapidfire May 23 2005, 05:31 PM Is there still a pressing need to produce new PAF pilots every year? If we dont have enough flyable or assets, then theres no sense establishing a separate air force academy. same w/ the PN too if we dont have enough vessels. At this time when we dont have a big requirement to train more sailors and pilots anyway, doing with what we have right now is the best setup. Moreover, creating separate academies would mean MORE FUNDS the AFP must set aside. Is it welcome at this time? But when the economy improves a lot later on, or if ever, ... then that shall be the time that we must put up this academies to produce a more able pool of pilots and sailors. There's nothing wrong if we start drafting the program now so that when the right time comes, all that we have to do is implement the drafted program. The faster the program is set in place the faster the benefits of having such setup will be reaped. Who knows? It could even be just soon enough before the time that they will be most needed comes.
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Ventisei26	May 23 2005, 07:17 PM Post #5
Trainee Posts: 43 Group: Trainees Member #421 Joined: April 6, 2005	I think there's a politician who proposed the creation of the Air Force Academy in Visayas (probably in Cebu), and the Naval Academy in Mindanao (I forgot kung saan lugar, pero siguro either Zamboanga, Cotabato or Davao). I am not really sure thought if there are many politicians who support this idea.



adroth	May 23 2005, 10:49 PM Post #6
Member Posts: 1,127 Group: Regulars Member #13 Joined: July 12, 2004	Although I like the idea of spreading academies around, I'd rather spend the money to be used for putting these other academies together on keeping the AFP intact. Consider the following - More stars to an already star-studded organization. The PMA has several O-7 or higher positions (I've found 4 thus far). I doubt if the folks running the air force or naval academies will "accept" anything less. More academies means more generals to pay and keep happy - Duplication of facilities. Separate academies means that money will be spent duplicating some of the basic facilities that are already in place in the PMA. The controversy surrounding AFP-backed engineering projects come to mind. - Public backlash. If the public cried foul when the AFP set aside a few million for sidewalks, how much more if we spend more millions on additional academies? At this point, the condition of existing academies are currently drawing flak -- they won't be receptive to more of the same. This'll be a political hot potato that the Senate won't want to touch in a period of financial distress. I'd rather spend the dough on beefing up existing training organizations. Is the PAFFS still in suspended animation?
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el_commandante	May 23 2005, 11:47 PM Post #7
Member Posts: 471 Group: Regulars Member #278 Joined: January 4, 2005	creating seperate academy for each service is only a waste of money, we should continue with the present set up, although I am not ruling out the possibility of having an air force and naval academy. but not this time. If there is a shortage of officers in the AFP. We can always look for competent and qualified ROTC officers. I have a question Guys. Do we have a cadet or a graduate of the US air Force academy? because most of the Filipino graduates of the foreign military academy are from the US military academy and naval academy.



Pendejo	May 23 2005, 11:51 PM Post #8
Member Posts: 648 Group: Regulars Member #109 Joined: September 3, 2004	The government provides funding and facilities for the Philippine Merchant Marine Academy. PMMA produces outstanding graduates for foreign flag ships. Some of its graduates go to the navy. Why not expand the PMMA to produce not only merchant marine officers but naval and coast guard officers as well. As it is, foreign countries are major beneficiaries of our merchant marine academy. Why can't our armed forces utilize that capability. PMMA has a campus, facilities, infrastructure and curriculum.



el_commandante	May 24 2005, 12:15 AM Post #9
Member Posts: 471 Group: Regulars Member #278 Joined: January 4, 2005	Quote: Pendejo PMMA produces outstanding graduates for foreign flag ships. Some of its graduates go to the navy. Why not expand the PMMA to produce not only merchant marine officers but naval and coast guard officers as well. As it is, foreign countries are major beneficiaries of our merchant marine Good idea! My cousin is a graduate of that academy I think it is somewhere in zambales. he is now a LT senior grade ( I am not familiar with navy rank) Graduates of PMMA are trained as sailors. I would like to know if they can transfer to the marine since the marine is part of the naval infantry



adroth	May 24 2005, 12:29 AM Post #10
Member Posts: 1,127 Group: Regulars Member #13 Joined: July 12, 2004	Pendejo May 23 2005, 07:51 AM The government provides funding and facilities for the Philippine Merchant Marine Academy. PMMA produces outstanding graduates for foreign flag ships. Some of its graduates go to the navy. Why not expand the PMMA to produce not only merchant marine officers but naval and coast guard officers as well. As it is, foreign countries are major beneficiaries of our merchant marine academy. Why can't our armed forces utilize that capability. PMMA has a campus, facilities, infrastructure and curriculum. This I can agree with. I'm always in favor of beefing up existing institutions, rather than starting from scratch. I once had a correspondence with a PMMA graduate who lamented that the institution needs to be revitalized. The funding that would go into turning the PMMA into a Naval Academy would be good for the service. There are currently two Commodores in the Philippine Navy from the PMMA. These were folks who joined the service via direct commission (Advance ROTC). I wonder what MBLT thinks about this.
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