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| israeli | May 2 2005, 07:07 PM Post #11 |
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got this from http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/swed...ii/history.html... The Spica IIs are Spica Is with different electronics. Six of the class have been modernised with missiles, but the rest have been disposed of. Modernised ships: The six modernised ships were refitted with 4 RBS-15 SSM in place of the aft four torpedo tubes. The Skanter radar as replaced by a Sea Giraffe 50HC air / surface search set. Halmstad: Halmstad is in service with the Swedish Navy. Lulea: Lulea is in service with the Swedish Navy. Norrkoping: Norrkoping is in service with the Swedish Navy. Norrtalie: Norrtalie was not modernised and has been decommissioned. Nynashamn: Nynashamn is in service with the Swedish Navy. Pitea: Pitea was used as a prototype for the missile conversions, three RBS15 missiles being fitted along with all six torpedo tubes. She is in service with the Swedish Navy. Stromstad: Stromstad was not modernised and has been decommissioned. Varberg: Varberg was not modernised and has been decommissioned. Vasteras: Vasteras was not modernised and has been decommissioned. Vastervik: Vastervik was not modernised and has been decommissioned. Umea: Umea was not modernised and has been decommissioned. Ystad: Ystad is in service with the Swedish Navy. |
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| Viking | May 2 2005, 10:38 PM Post #12 |
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For Sale![]() No weapons, no main engines, no propellers, no electronics, 10 000 Euro They have probably been stripped in order to provide spare parts for the rest. and remember the hulls are 30 years old now, and costly to keep runing. Malaysia have the Handalan (Spica-M)-class ![]() But remember, there is a reason why FACs are being replaced by larger ships. Today you need AA missile system and a CIWS, ECM equipment i order to survive, and you will have problems fitting this on a small ship. |
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| saver111 | May 3 2005, 04:49 PM Post #13 |
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Since we're talking about missile gunboats, will the OSA I type do for the PN? Saw in the net last year about 12 complete package of these are being sold for USD245,000 each at the Black Sea, might fit in the budget. Performance wise, siiguro at par lang with the Chinese and Vietnamese pag nagkataon at the Spratlys since they're using the same? I know at war we should be superior to defeat the enemy, but with our navy...? Here's one ad of it. Not sure if the same boats http://shipbroker.net/list/detail1.asp?ship_no=7712[IMG] [/IMG]
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Justice for Daniel Lorenz Jacinto HELP END PIRACY NOW!: http://www.itfseafarers.org/petition.cfm | |
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| Viking | May 4 2005, 02:53 AM Post #14 |
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http://www.mindef.gov.sg/safti/pointer/bac...9/Vol25_1/3.htm It would be better to buy the four Danish Flyvefisken or two Swedish Stockholm class ![]() |
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| edwin | May 12 2005, 12:48 AM Post #15 |
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Philippine Navy is in serious business once they acquired and let the two NORRKOPING fast attack craft patrol the Spratley Island. It will already send a strong signal to those Military adventurist who wants to park their naval assets without any invitation. Peace to all. |
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| edwin | May 12 2005, 01:55 AM Post #16 |
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Those FAC in the Pic are very capable combatant ship as well as guardian of our territory in Spratley. I hope those heavily armed FAC in pic are already CANDIDATE in the MIND of our politician and PN officials for AFP modernization program. It's sad that there are so many available surplus combatant ship well suited for our NAVY and territory, but the goverment are too slow to decide and take the advantage of acquiring those capable ship for the modernization of PN. If money is the main reason for their slow desicion in acquiring surplus combat ship, then it will be their(Goverment/Politician) forever reason if they will never START to find the solution on purchasing those ships. Peace to all. |
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| City Hunter | May 13 2005, 08:43 PM Post #17 |
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Given the right tech access and enough budget we can make even these small ships more menacing than they are now. No need to upgrade to bigger hulls. We could incorporate for defense a modified version of that active/passive defense system currently used on Commie tanks. We then feature for its missile load that model which has lots of mini missiles in its warhead. Electronics and such are getting more compact and more reliable everyday. For powerplant, I'd rather go for waterjet than props that way we can play in shallow water (provided the hull is capable of it). For a fast firing cannon we can incorporate a dual mode system like what the Russians do. The only real problem is on the engine issue. Waterjets tend to gulp fuel and with a small hull that would spell a short range. Not really much into mechanics as of the moment so no idea on how to get around this problem. Crew awareness during missions could be improved through training and proper diet and rest. And small ships are easier to hide and repair. We could make lots of secret bases in our islands and any invader would have a hard time fighting them then. |
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| City Hunter | May 13 2005, 10:20 PM Post #18 |
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I noticed that the Israeli ship sports a Phalanx up front and most of what are treated as offensive weapons on the west at the rear. Are they following the Russian doctrine of equipping their ships with most weapons having dual roles or do they have a different purpose of doing so? |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| israeli | May 15 2005, 05:51 PM Post #19 |
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hey cityhunter! ![]() it seems to me that the Israelis really followed the Russian doctrine of equipping warships with mostly multi-purpose weapons. ![]() by the way, the Israelis upgraded some of their Saar 4 FACs into the Hetz (Saar 4.5) class standard: Specifications of the Hetz class (source: hazegray.org): ![]() ![]() Displacement: 488 tons full load Dimensions: 61.7 x 7.62 x 2.76 meters (202.5 x 25 x 8.5 feet) Propulsion: 4 diesels, 4 shafts, 16,376 bhp, 30 knots Crew: 50 Radar: EL/M-2218-S AMDR air/surface search Fire Control: 2 M-2221 EW: unknown intercept, multiple RLs Armament: 4 Harpoon SSM, 6 Gabriel-III SSM, 32 VL Barak SAM, 1 76 mm OTO DP, 1 20 mm Phalanx CIWS, 2 20 mm AA, 4 12.7 mm MG you can read more about the Hetz (Saar 4.5) class at http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/nav...r45/Saar45.html |
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| City Hunter | May 16 2005, 08:04 AM Post #20 |
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Nice to know the Israelis haven't changed. The Russians has long admired them for doing what is right to prepare for combat. I sure wish ours would emulate such example in developing technology. As for the upgraded ship, it sure is more well equipped. Those 3 at the back have weird housing though. Must be some stealthy thing. What about the object behind the aft gun? Can't make it out. Like what they did with the superstructure behind the bridge. |
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