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| Transferring COIN responsibility to the PNP; Should cops join the AFP in the end-game | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 29 2005, 01:41 AM (3,725 Views) | |
| adroth | Apr 29 2005, 01:41 AM Post #1 |
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Here is one of my favorite military movie/show quotes:
The AFP's development has been hampered by its focus on fighting the insurgency. Early in the Cory administration, the responsibility was supposed to be handed over to the PNP, so that the AFP could focus on its primary role, which was to protect the country against external threats. This, however, has since been abandoned. Why? Are training and equipment the main reason why the PNP cannot take over counter insurgency operations? |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Apr 29 2005, 06:12 AM Post #2 |
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Insurgency fulls to the responsibility of the AFP, as this is a campaign or crime against the state, they are no different from foreign invaders with the primary aim of destabilizing the country's defence, economy, peace and order, and other lawless and violent activities wherein, the latter fulls to the PNP's task. In a nutshell, the Military and the PNP has both role to play in this area. |
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| adroth | Apr 29 2005, 09:59 AM Post #3 |
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However, one should take the lead role in this, and the other a subordinate role. Armed insurgents are essentially criminals, and should really fall under the responsibility of the police. The AFP should focus on National Defense. Government officials who plunder the Philippine treasury destabilize the country. Who should go after them, the AFP or the police? I dare say it is the police, so the destablizing effect of the crime should not be the determining factor in selecting responsibility. If giving the PNP the leadership role means that resources currently allocated to the army will be given to the police, then so be it. The question now is, what does the PNP need to be able to take the lead role. |
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| saver111 | Apr 29 2005, 12:01 PM Post #4 |
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Before, during the PC-INP set-up, the PC tackles COIN operation while the INP handles the urban areas. I believe when the PC was defunct, the PNP was ill prepared to handle the COIN operation. They lost their Rangers, Long Range Patrols, COSAC and other jungle fighting units. As you could observed the SAF most of the times are also involved in the COIN operation and is loosing it's focus as a counter-terrorism unit. After EDSA, it was projected that the Filipino people was already united thus a decrease in insurgency was anticipated and they immediatelly passed on the COIN to PNP. But looking on the situation, with the AFP jointly handling the fight it seems that we still cannot leave it alone to the PNP. And Internal security is also part of National Defense. |
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| maniegom | Apr 29 2005, 12:03 PM Post #5 |
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It's obviously this reason alone. Then again, for both groups to excell in their respective areas of expertise, we will need to also increase their funding. If ever this was to happen, we probably need to increase the number of police personnel to protect and serve the civilian population from lawless elements too. |
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| adroth | Apr 29 2005, 03:14 PM Post #6 |
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National defense can be interpreted very broadly. Defense of our natural resources, defense of our laws, defense of our institutions are all important to national integrity. But we do not give responsibility for these aspects of national defense to the military. For the same reason, internal security ought to be handled by an organization whose primary reponsibility is internal security: the Philippine National Police. This will allow the AFP to focus on external defense which ought to be its core competency. The AFP can still be called in to support the police, no question about it, but it should not be overly pre-occupied with internal threats. |
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| saver111 | Apr 29 2005, 04:05 PM Post #7 |
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But present situation right now calls for it. Isn't it that's always the cause for debate in our other threads. We could not move on because of this pesky problems with insurgency. Everything is affected, peace and order, economy, etc. because of dreams of some certain sectors that they can't attain, they try to pull the whole nation down the drain which needs to be stop at all cost. Same case with our PCG which was recently detached from the PN. Due to limited resources it could not function well with out assistance from the Navy which in turn affects the PN external defense functions. So how can we move on? Scorch earth and eliminate them all quickly? Then we will have a hard time procuring arms from some countries selling these for "human right violations". And with such, that's the time the people becomes the enemy of the state. |
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| flipzi | Apr 30 2005, 11:07 AM Post #8 |
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COIN under the PNP's tasks while the external concern under the AFP's tasks is the ideal setup. The SAF can handle the COIN task anyway. Our current problem though is that the PNP lacks the manpower and other resources to handle the COIN task. This is so because our country today DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO ALLOW THE AFP TO PASS ON THE COIN RESPONSIBILITY TO THE PNP. I believe that today's setup is the most appropriate for now because the AFP has the manpower and other resources needed to effectively handle the insurgency problem. Let's stick to this setup for now and just work for the ideal one when the rebellion subsides and the economy soars high later. Oh and yes, let's do our best to allocate some funds for external defense. Get our bigger ships like the PS38 to guard our interest in Spratly's and other EEZs instead of docking them in Boracay. |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Apr 30 2005, 06:51 PM Post #9 |
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In the prevailing situation, or as it has been, the PNP is pre-occupied with the task of maintaining peace and order, investigating crimes, protecting properites, arresting offenders, maintaining jails, traffic enforcement, and all sorts of criminal activities defined in the Penal Code. Whereas, the AFP has only one specific crime in the penal code to attend, the crime of Treason, insurrection and rebellion which is also one of the PNP's task.If this particular task will be carried out by the PNP in it's full context, then the outfit can be over-burdened that will result to add it's ineffeciency. |
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| adroth | May 1 2005, 10:01 AM Post #10 |
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IMHO, this is a matter of allocating resources. The AFP could be trimmed down, and the number of police officers, particulary in the SAF, could be increased. That way street cops could continue to do what they're doing. Selected armored assets that are currently in the AFP inventory could either be transferred, or additional equipment could be produced. |
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