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Women sailors
Topic Started: Mar 29 2005, 07:24 PM (2,660 Views)
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Well if you can tell me what you want, that will help. This information is from open sources and nothing that needs declassification. Search around the web, but some sites regarding US femal sailors being able to serve on submarines were written by male chauvanists, also on the women's perspectives, they tend to be liberal minded feminists.

this site might help you.

http://www.armedforcescareers.com/articles/article18.html


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Thanks for the info. The one I am going by is OPNAVINST 6000.1B which further describes the policies for pregnant service members and their Command. The ultimate goal of it is to define that pregnancy is a temporary medical condition and are compatible with a Navy career. The Policy's goal is to safeguard the health of the pregnant service member and her unborn child.

I would've provided you the link from google, but this computer I'm using won't allow me to. You can go ahead and just type in the instruction if you want to review it as it is also declassified. Hope this helps, thanks again.
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Apr 11 2005, 06:36 PM
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Apr 11 2005, 02:35 PM
If indeed the president awarded the  Medal of Valor for non-combat accomplishments then this commander-in-chief needs to go to boot camp.

What is wrong about awarding the Medal of Valor to non-combatant? The United States have done this to Dr. Mary E. Walker, a civilian surgeon during the U.S. Civil War, who received the Congressional Medal of Honor. She was not a combatant, but contract doctor for the U.S. Army. She was imprisoned and accused by the Confederate for being a Union spy. Also to Charles Lindbergh, he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, for just being the first man to "First solo transatlantic flight." With this fate, I believe he also received the German Medal of Honor from Adoft Hitler.

And speaking of Charles Lindbergh, he was the one who convinced President Marcos to set up an organization (Philippine Eagle Foundation?) so that the Philippine Eagle would not become extinct.

While it is true that Mary Walker was given the CMH, this was before congress decided that the CMH be awarded only to those who have been in "actual combat with the enemy." In fact, when congress decided to make the change her medal, along with about 910 others, was taken away. It was only reinstated in 1977 by an Army board.

As for Charles Lindbergh, it took a special act of Congress to allow the awarding of the CMH for his achievement. During that time it was the highest award a US citizen could get. It was not until 1945 that there was a civilian version of the CMH which is known as the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The Medal of Valor was established by President Manuel L. Quezon through Executive Order No. 251, January 17, 1940. The highest award that may be given to a Filipino soldier in actions involving actual conflict with an armed or any distinguishing oneself conspicuously by gallantry and At risk of life beyond the call of duty.

I'm sorry but what she did, while heroic, does not qualify for the MOV. This is another case of the law being sidelined only for political expediency.




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In the history of the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor, there are 3,455 (some people put the number to 3,460) recepient of the CMoH: 2,354 from the Army; 745 from the Navy; 296 from the USMC; 42 from the Army Air Corps; 17 from the Air Force; 1 from the Coast Guard and 8 civilians.

Of the 3,455 Medal of Honor recepient, 193 are non-combatant. (Army 2; Navy 185; USMC 15; Air Corps 1 (Charles Lindbergh). Not include the civilians.


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As for Charles Lindbergh, it took a special act of Congress to allow the awarding of the CMH for his achievement. During that time it was the highest award a US citizen could get. It was not until 1945 that there was a civilian version of the CMH which is known as the Presidential Medal of Freedom


If Charles Lindbergh doesn't deserved the CMOH, then he should had been awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for being the first man to fly-solo across the Atlantic. Charles Lindbergh is an Army reserve (forgot his rank), some people say he is not a civilian since he is an officer of the Army Reserve (Air Corps).


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My father caused the surrender of 400 MNLF rebels in the hinterlands of Sulu during the early 70s, in the field, without firing a shot. Sowescom (forerunner of Southcom) recommended a Distinguished Conduct Star but GHQ ruled he was not eligible for a DCS since his unit was not actually engaged in combat at the time (meaning explosions and gunfire and people dying). He got the Distinguished Service Star instead


Well sorry, to hear this, but General Grant didn't received a medal when Gen. Lee, with over 30,000 men, surrendered to him in Appomatox Court House in 1865.


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She made a speech on AFP Day and made a remark ..."let me remind you that I was responsible for increasing your salaries." By gulay, if you know how soldiers think you would not even utter such bullshit


You may not like her as a president, but at least show her some respect because she is your Commander-in-Chief. Last time I check it was the Congress that approve budget for the military, so even IF the president said such thing about increasing your salary, it was still the Congress that will decide. Even how many times the President said she will increase your salary, military expenditures, or whatever, she has no power if the Congress block it.

So, don't hold your grudge against the president, since Congress is the one holding you hostage. And also it was not the president's fault why our military is ill-equipped, ill-trained, underpaid, etc., blame it to Congress. Blame those buwaya sa Kongreso, na walang alam kundi ang pasarili nilang kapakanan.

"What is good for me is good for the country." This is what those fu**ers in Congress think.
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In the history of the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor, there are 3,455 (some people put the number to 3,460) recepient of the CMoH:  2,354 from the Army; 745 from the Navy; 296 from the USMC; 42 from the Army Air Corps; 17 from the Air Force; 1 from the Coast Guard and 8 civilians.

Of the 3,455 Medal of Honor recepient, 193 are non-combatant. (Army 2; Navy 185; USMC 15; Air Corps 1 (Charles Lindbergh).  Not include the civilians.


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As for Charles Lindbergh, it took a special act of Congress to allow the awarding of the CMH for his achievement. During that time it was the highest award a US citizen could get. It was not until 1945 that there was a civilian version of the CMH which is known as the Presidential Medal of Freedom


If Charles Lindbergh doesn't deserved the CMOH, then he should had been awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for being the first man to fly-solo across the Atlantic. Charles Lindbergh is an Army reserve (forgot his rank), some people say he is not a civilian since he is an officer of the Army Reserve (Air Corps).


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My father caused the surrender of 400 MNLF rebels in the hinterlands of Sulu during the early 70s, in the field, without firing a shot. Sowescom (forerunner of Southcom) recommended a Distinguished Conduct Star but GHQ ruled he was not eligible for a DCS since his unit was not actually engaged in combat at the time (meaning explosions and gunfire and people dying). He got the Distinguished Service Star instead


Well sorry, to hear this, but General Grant didn't received a medal when Gen. Lee, with over 30,000 men, surrendered to him in Appomatox Court House in 1865.


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She made a speech on AFP Day and made a remark ..."let me remind you that I was responsible for increasing your salaries." By gulay, if you know how soldiers think you would not even utter such bullshit


You may not like her as a president, but at least show her some respect because she is your Commander-in-Chief. Last time I check it was the Congress that approve budget for the military, so even IF the president said such thing about increasing your salary, it was still the Congress that will decide. Even how many times the President said she will increase your salary, military expenditures, or whatever, she has no power if the Congress block it.

So, don't hold your grudge against the president, since Congress is the one holding you hostage. And also it was not the president's fault why our military is ill-equipped, ill-trained, underpaid, etc., blame it to Congress. Blame those buwaya sa Kongreso, na walang alam kundi ang pasarili nilang kapakanan.

"What is good for me is good for the country." This is what those fu**ers in Congress think.

1. No one ever said Charles Lindbergh didn't deserve the award. What was pointed out was the procedure being followed by the US and historical fact.

2. The issue on medals which you countered wih your analogy on Grant shows you missed the point completely. That example was made to clearly stress the practice of the armed forces in making interim awards in lieu of approval of a higher award vis-a-vis the president bypassing all of that and approving a medal of valor without deliberation. Read and understand.

You make it sound like my post was sour graping about an award not received when in fact I stated " I agree and respect that decision. " Grant causing surrender of 300,000...sheesh...that was never the point. Read and understand in full context.

3. Who said I have a grudge against GMA? The issue raised is about the commander-in-chief politicking at the expense of a soldier's honor and a lack of appreciation of the military culture. Read and understand the issues.

Last I heard, her title is that of Commander-in-Chief. I hope you understand what that means. If she has to learn that job, she should and she could. Congress is another animal completely.

Stick to the point and welcome to the Forum.
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I read your point very well, but there's also some jealousy behind those words why your father didn't get the award that you want.


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Grant causing surrender of 300,000...sheesh...that was never the point. Read and understand in full context


Who said about 300,000? You put too many zeros in there. so siguro dahil sa galit na galit ka na kung ano ano na pinagsasabi mo

By reading your post, may kasamang galit. LoL, Just chill out dude.

I am not accusing you of anything. Read my post will you? You're not the only one I quoted.

And I stand on my post, that you may not like GMA as president, but at least show some respect to her as your Commander-in-Chief. Unless, you don't since you admitted in other thread that you were involved in the coup agains the Aquino Administration. No wonder.

Do what you are intend to do, which is to defend the country and its citizens, but toppling a president? No wonder the citizens didn't support your cause.
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Jealousy. Of course not. As I told you I respect and agree with that decision. I do know the difference between a combat award and non-combat award. Try not to see ghosts and read meaning where there is none.

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And I stand on my post, that you may not like GMA as president, but at least show some respect to her as your Commander-in-Chief. Unless, you don't since you admitted in other thread that you were involved in the coup agains the Aquino Administration. No wonder.


Well, if I was in active service I would not be critical of the commander-in-chief in public. Today I am just another tax payer trying to survive in a messed up country with corrupt politicians, a damaged culture and a government that cannot govern. I will concede that I do not like GMA if you promise to attack only ideas, issues and not the person.

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Do what you are intend to do, which is to defend the country and its citizens, but toppling a president? No wonder the citizens didn't support your cause.


Hmmm, first Marcos, then Cory, then Erap. Okay, I concede doing Cory in was a bad idea so we came back to the fold and were given amnesty. Well it seems there was a little support when we pulled a coup on Marcos and Erap. Toppling two out of three ain't bad. Do you think GMA will finish her term in 2010?

My cause today at age 47 is different from when I was 27 years old. Cut me some slack, we were young, restless and stupid to follow politicians.

Suggestion lang. Try not to attack the person and stick to issues and I will try not to be pikon. Tell me your take on GMA awarding arbitrarily the Medal of Valor for a non combat action to get this thread back on track.
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