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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 27 2004, 10:22 AM (2,195 Views) | |
| aldon | Jul 27 2004, 10:22 AM Post #1 |
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13 Cyclone-class FACs were constructed. Prior to 911, all 13 where to be decommed and sold to other countries. But post-911 realignment of homeland security has changed it. Instead, 5 will be transferred to the US Coast Guard and the remaining 8 will be sold to Philipines, Colombia and Egypt. We could get a 1 or 2 more, probably. But in my opinion, we should get more of this types of ships. These ships have the range and speed to be an excellent patrol craft for littoral duties. Solution: Australia's Fremantle-class FACs. The Cyclone-class is actually based on the Fremantle-class design (which in turn in, is based on the Ramadan-class design). Though it was heavily modified to fit the US Navy's requirement for a special operations platform. The Royal Australian Navy is decommissioning its fleet of 15 FCPBs (Fremantle-Class Patrol Boats) with the signing of the contract for 12 new Armidale-Class Patrol Boats. Already, 10 have been decommed. A good opportunity for acquiring these boats for the PN. Tenix of Australia has delivered 2 new boats for the PCG, and is constructing 4 more new ones. Plus, we have always had a good relation with the Aussies. So, regardless recent political events, I think we are in a good position to negotiate for some. Sources: Navy League Aug 2003 Article Royal Australian Navy Web Page |
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| israeli | Jul 27 2004, 12:42 PM Post #2 |
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aldon, as far as i know, the Fremantle class boats are "lightly armed", being only armed with a single 40 mm gun, an 81 mm mortar launcher, and two 12.7 mm machine guns. given the possibility of the PN acquiring some of the Fremantle class patrol boats, should upgrades be done on them, e.g. accomodation of higher-caliber guns, etc.? oh... here's a photo of HMAS Launceston, a Fremantle class patrol boat of the Royal Australian Navy... ![]() .... and here's HMAS Fremantle, the flagship, passing under the Sydney Harbor Bridge... ;)
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| aldon | Jul 27 2004, 02:00 PM Post #3 |
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Why not? We can buy them un-armed and put on the same weapons found in the Cyclone we got (bushmaster, 40mmAGL, .50cals, etc.). I dont see any problem with it. |
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| KLKid | Jul 27 2004, 02:03 PM Post #4 |
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if you buy those boats unarm how much doyou think the costs? |
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| aldon | Jul 27 2004, 05:57 PM Post #5 |
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Found this interesting article about Egypt's Fast Missile Craft program. Excerpt below: In early 1999, the U.S. Naval Sea Systems Command (PMS-380) tasked Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division, Detachment Norfolk, to determine the feasibility of meeting the Egyptian FAC requirements using a modified Cyclone (PC-14) design. The Egyptians reportedly had concerns with the use of the Cyclone class hull as the basis for their new FAC. The Cyclone hull design is based on the same Vosper Thornycroft design used by Egypt for their Ramadan class, yet the Cyclone design is heavier and lacks the weapons load-out found in the Ramadan. From the Egyptian perspective, the Cyclone design, as it exists in the US Navy inventory, does not have sufficient weight margin to include a 76mm gun mount, Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), Harpoon, and Phalanx. The feasibility study conducted by the Carderock ultimately concluded that most of Egypt’s FAC requirements, as were specified in late 1998/early 1999, could be met within the modified Cyclone design, but there were some significant shortfalls. For example, to modify the Cyclone design to meet Egypt’s needs Carderock recommended: Reducing the sea keeping requirements from 5 to 3 for full operations, and from 7 to 5 for restricted operations. Reducing the range radius from 1000 nm to a minimum acceptable range radius of 500 nm. Fitting two Super Barricade decoy launchers instead of four Mk-36 Super RBOC launchers. Either eliminating the Close-in-weapons System (CIWS) or reducing the number of Harpoons from eight to four (two twin-pack launchers instead of two quad-packs). Based on these shortfalls, the modified Cyclone design, as proposed by PMS-380 was probably dropped from future consideration. Additionally, the US Navy estimated that the cost of four modified Cylcone class FACs would be around US$610.1M, which probably exceeded the EN’s budget. Full Article |
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| dischetti | Jul 27 2004, 06:22 PM Post #6 |
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this is the most practical solution, get the basic seagoing cyclones first, even if unarmed, then move on from there. |
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| boomouse | Jul 30 2004, 09:30 AM Post #7 |
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Might it not be simpler, easier, and perhaps cheaper to set up a line of underwater listening posts along some of our borders? An OZ company is supplying some of this stuff to Malaysia after the Bumiputras were convinced with the cost efficiency. Then you can just vector in your surface assets to the contacts. Of course, if there are really no surface assets to speak of... |
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| Numbers | Jul 30 2004, 09:48 AM Post #8 |
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Completely useless without surface, subsurface or air patrols to verify the intrusion. But you know that.
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| Mercenary | Feb 19 2005, 11:30 AM Post #9 |
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I read somewhere the Royal Australian Navy will be retiring their 15 Fremantle class Fast Patrol Gun Boat's, which will probably be put up for sale on the massive world's surplus naval warship market. These FPGB's possess good speed and range and decent armament all perfectably suitable for patrolling Philippine coastal waters. DAM! Maybe some $funding$ could materialize to purchase all or at least some of these warships. SURPLUS NAVAL WARSHIP Classes For Sale Now: A. Descubertia Missile Frigate (6) Spain B. Type A69 Missile Frigate (16) France C. Sa'ar 4 Missile Fast Attack Craft (2) Israel D. Knox Missile Frigate (Numerous) U.S.A. E. Oliver Hazard Perry - short-hulled - M' Frigate (2?) U.S F. Tiger M'FAC (?) Germany G. Albatross M' FAC (10) Germany H. Duke Missile Frigate (1) United Kingdom I. Newport Large LST (1-2?) U.S.A. Need we go? Possibly (2) Castle class Offshore Patrol Vessels will be surplus soon now that the British are getting their three new River class OPV's. And the Castle class would be excellent for patrolling the EEZ around the M' natural gas fields near Palawan. Large helo' deck, 10,000-mile crusing range at 15-kts, 30mm DP gun would be useful. |
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| Tanglaw | Feb 19 2005, 05:38 PM Post #10 |
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Which one above can be considered a corvette? |
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