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IS OUR POLICE & MILITARY DISCIPLINE UP TO SCRATCH?; Basic
Topic Started: Feb 4 2005, 06:16 AM (722 Views)
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In an establishment where weaponry and uniform are the basic factors for it's identity, discipline plays an important role to uphold the pride and professionalism to enhance the respect and trust deserved for the noble men and women in the outfit.

Basically, our standard of discipline has'nt yet conformed to international standards although based within the pages of our Military and Police book of discipline.

There are some areas or parts of it which can be considered outdated and obsolete due to social and cultural diversities that goes with the modern trend.

Shall we follow the universal trend the same as the rules of engagement in the battlefield?
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Basically, our standard of discipline has'nt yet conformed to international standards although based within the pages of our Military and Police book of discipline.



Sir,

Discipline is basically the reason why the public is denying them the respect and trust that men and women in uniform ought to receive.

Could you tell us what makes our current standard of discipline different from the international standard?

One more thing, is discipline, the rules itself, the problem?

Or is it the negative influence, like being in an environment dominated by the breed of greed, which makes them undisciplined?
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In my own simple way I consider policemen with BIG BELLIES undisciplined...they should look snappy, trim and ready for action. There's just something in pot-bellied policemen that I distrust like they look lazy and incapable of doing thwir jobs quickly.
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Feb 4 2005, 01:39 PM
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Feb 4 2005, 06:16 AM

Basically, our standard of discipline has'nt yet conformed to international standards although based within the pages of our Military and Police book of discipline.



Sir,

Discipline is basically the reason why the public is denying them the respect and trust that men and women in uniform ought to receive.

Could you tell us what makes our current standard of discipline different from the international standard?

One more thing, is discipline, the rules itself, the problem?

Or is it the negative influence, like being in an environment dominated by the breed of greed, which makes them undisciplined?

In our system, the arrow of discipline is mainly centered and focused on the EPs or subordinates. It is not in a balance forum with the high ranking officials when metting out the same degree of discipline in a given circumstances.

As you and me probably have experienced, it is an obvious and undeniable fact as we are coming to terms with our day to day routine under the watchful and bullying attitude of our superiors.

I said it has'nt conformed with the universal standards because superior officers employed "bullying" coupled with arrogance as the main tool to instill discipline among the subordinates, not taking into account the psychological impact.

To meet the universal criteria of discipline, it has to be dealt with courtesy and utmost diplomacy if one has to expect honor and respect as the product of discipline. Bullying not only encourage hatred it also foments distrust not in harmony with self esteem.

Really it sounds funny and awkward for an undisciplined superior to execute discipline towards the subordinates. The outcome? wrong chemistry.

Courtesy an element of discipline is also one sided. Ex. A subordinate has displayed his courtesy to his superior officer (This is an experience) but in return the officer only displays his arrogance and dry attitude without reciprocating the gesture he was afforded. (Salute is not enough) So it is highly visible that our way of instilling discipline is so compartmentalized and highly discriminating. A subordinate is also entitled to courtesy in the same level as an officer regardless of rank, to fall in line with the new world order.
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Everyone can agree with that.

NAPAKALAKI ANG BAGAY NA IPINAPAKITA NG OPISYAL SA KANYANG MGA TAUHAN NA SYANG MAGIGING MODELO NYA SA PAGGANAP NG KANYANG TUNGKULIN.

If his superior's impression is not good, "kasama na malalaki tyan", which Kookie says a sign of a lazy, lousy and corrupt cop, and is unprofessional in instilling discipline ...

.. then expect that his subordinates will become like him as well.

Look at the situation, the morale of the troops, when Gen. Lacson was heading the PNP?

Look at how things are doing while Gen. Aglipay is in command?

How the subordinates look at the guys on top and the officers down the line, ...

... will certainly shape their mindset and become into how that mindset is trying to mold them.
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Does it need new commanders to implement this?

Metro Manila police chief urges fellow cops to lose beer bellies
05/19/2010 | 03:14 PM
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The head of the National Capital Region Police Office (NCRPO) on Wednesday urged cops assigned in Metro Manila to stay fit and lose beer bellies to “keep up with the rigors of police work."

NCRPO chief Director Roberto Rosales on Wednesday said he will personally supervise a physical fitness test that will be administered to all police officers in Metro Manila starting next week to ensure that all his subordinates are physically fit.

“Being physically fit is not an option in the police service. It is a responsibility," he said in a statement sent to the media on Wednesday.

Those who will fail the physical fitness test — which include exercises like push-ups, pull-ups, and road runs — “could be subject to attrition" based on police rules, according to Rosales.

In last year’s physical fitness test, 218 of the 13,022 Metro Manila cops failed to meet fitness standards set by the police. These cops are currently facing evaluation, the statement said.

In 2000, then Philippine National Police (PNP) chief Panfilo Lacson ordered cops to lose weight and have at least a 34-inch waistline.

Current PNP chief Director General Jesus Verzosa has also ordered policemen earlier this year to go on diets due to the growing number of overweight cops he has observed. - ACC, RJAB Jr., GMANews.TV

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/191303/metro-m...se-beer-bellies

I just can't find previous discussions wherein programs were made for cops with this problem
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Keeping fit is not only a problem of the PNP. It is a problem confronting every walks of life in the society. Pot bellies are the result of the every day diet intake of every individual which is a private cultural affair itself as nobody could tell anybody what to eat. Now, when a job requires fitness, then comes discipline to observe the basics of fitness by looking after the diet and exercise required. And to make this happen, the PNP itself will initiate to create rehabilitation program for the obese cops to be confined and trained with physical fitness instructors on hand to help them trim the extra bulge.

Although it needs some sort of fundings but it makes sense.
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Bakit kasi di na sustain yung program ni Sen. Lacson. :armycheers: beer pa!
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